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Realy nice EK1 indeed - Robert .
I would have joined in earlier , but my notifications were messed up . The 6. Zimmerman EK2 is quit interesting indeed . The re-worked crosses seam to be all unmarked .
Regardless to that 6. EK2s are found with both cores . The thin date core to me is the first original Zimmerman core and as the other core is a S&L 2nd core typ .
A quick question thrown in here ; Dave's 2 and Steiner's shown EK2 , > are yours magnetic cores .\??/ I am hoping some would have zink cores , lets see .
I do have a mid/late war unmarked Zimmerman as well . I only came across the re-worked die accidently while working on another project .
Steinar : thanks for the pictures : perfect view - post 30 - I was hoping for . I will need to refer to that picture later for very specific and surprizing details . The wear on the Swastika arm tips and the surface on the date show alot of die wear . You say the cross was cleaned , does not appear to be ? Mine looks very simmilar . The green surface bleading on yours normal for the time frame of production .
Curious on post 30 about the bottom left arm bead step 'blob' , that shows up at that angle . Are(or were) all corners like that or can you tell if any bead corners have been 'scraped' down ? Magnifier needed .The seam of both halfs> are they a fine line or is solder visualble . And last - is anywhere seperation of the halfs starting ?
Here is mine, very Nickly brite with dark spotting from surface oxidize accumilated Copper compound .
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From the closeup I could make .... both crosses Dave has are both reworked frame dies with different cores .
The change in bead angle and the existance of a lower part bead in that spot are the first place to look . > As circled in red . Magnification will show a hole lot more surprizes !
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Both cores on mine are magnetic Douglas.
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Another comparison - Dave's frames match .
Thanks Dave , yours I thought were magnetic , lets see what Steinar has .
Do you see the fine half bead ?
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Now for the close up and revealing pictures !
It is an exceptional cross to see the following features on . I happen to have a real crisp re-worked frame strike with very little wear to the beading !
Most have more wear and the old bead features will be harder to see . So all that have a 6. should take a magnified look at their crosses ! You will be surprized what you see .
I pulled up some pictures of mine , not the best quality but good enough .
Dark blotches and shows very nicely the new added 'bead crown' on top of the old one . Had to change angle a few times to catch this fine detail .
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Douglas,Originally posted by Douglas 5 View Post
You're saying the thin date core is the 1st original Zimmermann core. I thought this thin date core was in the reworked frames. Here's my '6'-marked cross is on the left, and reworked cross with the thin date to the right. And, the cross to the left has the 2nd type S&L core, and not Zimmermann?
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Now the same picture with features of interest marked out .
The 'added on' new crown most noticeable in this corner . The transition from the old crown very poor done and probably touched up as this feature on other shown here is not noticeable . Magnify your crosses gentlemen !
A lot of information here that this cross is showing us for the last 60+ years !!!
The blue lines show the presents of the original beading , white the new crown line .
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Yes Robert , .. spent a lot of time going over the core , the left has a S&L core .
Because of the different cores when I first saw this post- I started to look for a match and identified that S&L had to cores and that this was the 2nd or later core S&L used . ... Do all of yours magnic cores ?
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Very interesting Douglas,
Yes, all magnetic.
Here I show your 2nd type S&L photo on the left, and my '6'-marked Zimmermann to the right. In your opinion are they the same cores, as stated above? I see differences, especially in the top of the '3'...
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Yes they are the same . Light and shadows angles distort view .
Many features that match . Working on a picture , slow at these things .
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To me the swasis look different also...the Zimmermann is not as tall as the S&L, and has some symetrical differences.
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I do see a difference ;
The S&L has sharper top corners as the one (6) on the right has a lot of arm corner wear - rounded . The strike it not as deep as pointed out - more top surface .
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