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    Russian Horde - Location?

    Doe anyone know what location (place) in Russia that the Russian Horde EK's were found in 1999?

    #2
    Why, hoping to head back and see if they missed something?

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      #3
      this was the mm26 ek1, how many and in what context were they found?

      locked away in a vault or stashed in a dusty attic?? or were they in russian storage ?

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        #4
        Originally posted by Steve Campell View Post
        Why, hoping to head back and see if they missed something?

        Exactly. Surely they missed one or two !

        Actually, I was curious if:

        a. They were in the spot they were last left by the Germans (or they had been taken from the discovery location and moved into a Russian Warehouse somewhere).
        b. This area was still under German occupation at the date of Feb/Mar 1944 (Dietrich probably knows where this is going)

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          #5
          were they on a train?

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            #6
            "were they on a train?"

            That's what I heard, but otherwise the story was very vague.
            George

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              #7
              Originally posted by George Stimson View Post
              "were they on a train?"

              That's what I heard, but otherwise the story was very vague.
              That is interesting. Never heard that one before. I'd always heard the "bunker" theory, but rumors I suppose.

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                #8
                Darrell

                Have you done a search on it?
                George

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                  #9
                  George after hours of searching this is all I could get:

                  The Russian Horde IC 1st Class
                  Michael Everett

                  The story was quite unremarkable. What makes it the more interesting is that many collectors felt it was too good to be true and claimed that these '26's were actually reproduction! (If these are fakes we are in a world of trouble).

                  Anyway, here's my personal knowledge and story.

                  I was stationed in Germany at the time (1997-2001) and made it a habit to call Helmut almost every two weeks to see 'what was hot'. In December of 1999 I called Helmut about three days before Christmas. He related to me a story that a 'Russian' had discovered the awards stockage of a German Infantry Division's EK1 supply. The foot locker conatined 300 unissued '26' marked EK1s and he purchased all of them. I, like most, was very skeptical but, asked him to send me two examples. When they arrived I was shocked. They were real and perfect. Eventually I purchased over 65 pieces at $275.00 each and eventually selling all but three to major US dealers.
                  I sold my last retail piece for $1000.00 three months ago.

                  The quantity that I handled consisted of the following:

                  Most were marked '26'
                  A very small number were not marked but, were of the '26' type.
                  All were in the square cases with the rectangular 'push button'.
                  A number of examples had paint bubbling under the core.
                  Alll had some degree of lacquer loss from 1% to 25%.

                  MIKE

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                    #10
                    Ask Helmut what he knows.
                    George

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by George Stimson View Post
                      Ask Helmut what he knows.
                      I spoke to him at the SOS a few years ago about the Russian Horde. I have (of course) forgotten most of the details. I seem to remember him saying that he got them from a Russian official. Maybe governmental or military - I don't remember. Seems like he said it was a one-time deal.

                      Someone should drop him a line to provide a few more details regarding this find.
                      -Calvin Hall, repressed Appalachian American.

                      Desperately seeking a Juncker Knights Cross ribbon loop and well used Knights Cross ribbon!!!

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by George Stimson View Post
                        "were they on a train?"

                        That's what I heard, but otherwise the story was very vague.


                        lost luggage...

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                          #13
                          Previous thread

                          http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=russian+horde

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                            #14

                            Lots of pictures but other than the quote above (taken from that very thread) no details that I'm looking for.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by George Stimson View Post
                              Ask Helmut what he knows.
                              I sent him an email. See what I get. I would be surprised if anything.

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