Spange zum EK 1. m. Etui Good or No?

[George Stimson]

Phil,

Send them to me for the "Fakes Gallery"!

[Phil DeWitt]

Darn!

Sorry, too late - forgive, did not think of the fake
gallery! Will next time, as I am certain my ignorance
is paying off in great fun - 'cleansing' my collection.

Sent fotos to Prosper to post, as for some reason
I can no longer do attachments, and cannot see
members only forum either.

Now I would not have this problem if only I knew
'everything' (as some members of the forum seem
to do!)

IMHO there are far more high quality fakeroos being
produced now than ever before - simply because,
with the vast sums of money now being spent to obtain,
and the high technology available to faker - laser cut
dies made from originals, metallurtists using mass
spectrometers, etc. well, for one I am not concerned
about the money that I have spent over the years, as
I am now casting a jaundiced and very critical eye on
ony new purchases! This forum is a great help!

All the best, Phil

[Sergey]

Phil, the spange on pics you posted is a bad fake. There are a lot of high quality fakes. But I think that today it is impossible to repeat all technology process which was used for making of original items. So modern items might be better than original, but not the same. The best way of collectning it is collecting of wellknown types of awards! It is my opinion.

[Phil DeWitt]

Gospodin Sergey

Spasebo!

We have a different opinion, perhaps the truth
lies somewhere in the middle.

#1. Now it is possible to make exact copies of dies
using laser/computer.

#2. Technology also exists now to analyze original
metal exactly.

3. Artificial aging of finish may or may not be exact,
can come so close one cannot detect

IMHO, perhaps not fooling 'experts', yet how many
people have the espert power to that degree?

When an RK can reach so much, one could spend
10 or 20 thousand dollars or more and still make
a profit -

I do hope that I am quite wrong!

All the best,

Phil

[Philippe DB]

Hi Phil

I think I here some desparation in your voice an probably just now your going through a faze that is recognizable for the most of us. What are we doing, are we kidding ourselfs, they can send people to the moon and get them back, they can clone sheep.............. but they can't produce the perfect fake????

I think that one of the main reasons of existance and of the succes of this forum is the fact that it gives us the opportunity to share our knowlegde. On your own it's impossible to know everything but with 2500 people or so to consult with it's still possible to identify the good ones.

I just noticed that you aren't a associated member yourself. I think it would be $ 20 well spend to become a member and to make a point of it to never buy an item of witch your not 100%sure before you got the opinions of the forum members. Probably that bad Spange did cost you a lot more then $20.

KR
Philippe

[Phil DeWitt]

Hello Philippe

You make very good points as well

The cased spange was $225 - which I would
be happy with for genuine article, in my
ignorance learning good lesson with it.

Yes, belong to association, however for some
reason can no longer post attachments -
would like to post the fate of this fake,
gave it a smash and burn job.

Now attempt to cleanse my collection by
using the forum to assist, very valuable
tool, this place.

Maybe my prejudice, but follow this scenario:
Cost of RK X 3 as fake maker investment - say
$30,000 investment to come up with a fake
that will pass - then after three sold, all of the
rest is gravy for faker.... has not been done?
We know of fakes and can identify - how then
cam we say never can be done, has not been
done?

Fingers crossed for the rest,

Regards,

Phil

[Philippe DB]

Hi Phil,

Always look at the bright side. If the perfect fake would exsist what would be the problem?

Probably there wouldn't be any problem, everybody would agree that, since it was perfect, it was an original and nobody would be able to expose it as a fake. So in the end you could never loose money on such an item.

I don't know if they already exsist but I think it's a risk we all have to learn to live with.

KR
Philippe

[Phil DeWitt]

The Rest of the Story:

Is here -

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...threadid=25990

Regards,

Phil