L/12 on ring ek2

[sunkist]

hello i need help to have this piece discussed.Though i have checked the forum using search and comparing to existing L/12 ek2,this one is somehow different in marking,frame etc
Anyone any comments about this cross?

regards
sim

[sunkist]

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[sunkist]

I really be thankful of anyone can shed a light on this

[Peter Wiking]

The cross appears original from here. Better photos is needed though to be sure. I do not know about that marking on the ring. Why are so many crosses marked L/12? Purchased Juncker iron crosses from several other producers during the war, or are we looking at an attempt to inflate the value of these crosses?

Peter

[sunkist]

Thanks peter, as i can see that e frames aint juncker.

[grueni1208]

I think the cross is original, but it's no Juncker.
Original Juncker EK II have the maker's mark in the frame (beside the loop ring).

Regards

Grueni

[zambrotta11]

Hello,

To me the cross looks like an orginial K&Q with L/12 stamped on the ring.

Regards,
Stephen

[sunkist]

it does look like a 65'. in fact similar

[Paratrooper]

Hi!

I think it's an original L/12. juncker sold pieces from other makers with L/12 marking.

Particularly crosses of Klein&Quenzer with marking of Juncker are well-known.

I think Juncker had a high a position with special rights in the LDO from which we much do not know because of the fire in the company headquarters of Juncker after a bombardment in that nearly all documents burned in the late wartime.

This theory with the special position in the LDO bases only on indications and thoughts of me. Unfortunately here are no proofs which supports this theory.

Regards
Andreas

[all1knew]

Hello,

One of the nicest EK_2' I have ever seen!



William Kramer

[Matthew]

This theory with the special position in the LDO bases only on indications and thoughts of me. Unfortunately here are no proofs which supports this theory.

Regards
Andreas

It is NOT a theory, it is a known fact that Juncker had a considerable influence in LDO due to the fact that Juncker's general manager was also a deputy in LDO and as such was in position to "promote" CEJ .

[Paratrooper]

It is NOT a theory, it is a known fact that Juncker had a considerable influence in LDO due to the fact that Juncker's general manager was also a deputy in LDO and as such was in position to "promote" CEJ .

Hi!

Thank you for this information.

Regards
Andreas

[Ludwig]

Generally speaking, I can imagine that many awards are being marked L/12 by frauds today. It´s an attractive maker. I can´t see why Juncker should mark crosses with their code, if the crosses were produced by another company. I may be wrong, but it sounds strange to me.

[Robert P.]

Here is another EKII, with a ring stamp '2'...

I can't say for certain that this ring stamp is original. I do like the cross. It has the 'hump' typical to Juncker EKII's and the cross-hatched inner beading adjacent the swastika.

Personally, I shy away from ring-stamped L/12's or '2's for the simple reason there are so many on the market that have been stamped postwar to increase the value of the cross. I prefer the earlier unmarked Juncker originals, both EKI & II.

If you like the cross, buy it. If you want to lean on a theory that Juncker stamped other crosses with what is supposed to be their stamp, it's still a gamble as to whether yours was actually stamped by them or stamped by a postwar faker. If I was to buy a marked Juncker EKII, I would prefer seeing the stamp on the frame like Grueni said.

Here's a question: Was the frame of an EKII stamped before the cross was soldered and polished, or after? Some may know what I'm getting at here.

Robert