Help with a couple of EK2 makers please?

[Adrian]

Hi All,
I've got a couple of EK2s thatI would like a bit of help with, most of my files are packed up at the moment whilst DIY projects are taking place so if anyone can give their opinions on the makers of these two I would appreciate it. Here is the first, I am leaning towards it being a 113 but not 100% sure...

[Adrian]

The reverse...

[Adrian]

This one has a really shallow swastika, much shallower than I have seen before...

[Adrian]

Here is the second...

[Adrian]

and the reverse...

[Adrian]

Here is a shot of the maker mark on the first cross shown...

[Adrian]

And rotated...

[Adrian]

Any ideas from anybody........

[grueni1208]

The second EKII is a typical Klein & Quenzer (65).

Regards

Grueni