Unmarked EKI- Maker?

[streptile]

What cross is that, Carl?

[Robert P.]

Here is a photo of the inner beading on John's cross, the cross which opened the thread (on the left). On the right is Mark's Ubergrosse-framed Godet for comparison. I've had this cross of Mark's in my files with the label 'Godet-cored Ubergrosse'. The last photo you posted, Carl, is what I consider an Ubergrosse frame. So we go again from here...

[streptile]

Perhaps I'm not following this thread properly, but I think we have (in Mark's cross and the one that started the thread) a Godet/Zimmermann core in a low-bead count frame that is probably early, but is not an Ubergroße frame.

What it tells me is that Godet and/or Zimmermann used different frames early on in their production run. Is that about correct?

Here is the original cross that was determined to have an Ubergroße frame. Can we reach a consensus about whether this is in fact an Ubergroße frame? To me it looks the same as the frames on the two Godet/Zimmermann core EK1s we see in this thread, but not the same as my Ubergroße:

[Robert P.]

Perhaps I'm not following this thread properly, but I think we have (in Mark's cross and the one that started the thread) a Godet/Zimmermann core in a low-bead count frame that is probably early, but is not an Ubergroße frame.

What it tells me is that Godet and/or Zimmermann used different frames early on in their production run. Is that about correct?

That's exactly the way I see it too, Trevor. The Ubergrosse frame is very easily recognised, whether full-size or cut down. When this thread started I hadn't a clue of any early Godet or Zimmermann frame, what they looked like, etc. But with the help of everyone I've got it imprinted into my brain now.

BTW, your EKII frame looks the same as the EKI's. Core too.

[streptile]

BTW, your EKII frame looks the same as the EKI's. Core too.

I agree with you about this, Robert, except that the cross is not mine (but it should be ), but rather a cross Ben sold WAF member Danny70, and can be seen here. It's in this thread that the frame was determined to be an Ubergroße, also.

[Robert P.]

On this one I don't know, Trevor. And, when I don't know, I say so. Someone throw me a line...

[johnrtse]

Thanks for the heads-up on my old thread Carl! Very interesting reading!


I still have the Cross- I had a gut feeling about it. The circumstances of the purchase didn't jive with someone that was out to steal from me; I paid $65 for it in a genuine maker-marked case (I sold the case for almost 4 times what I paid for the whole set-up!).

Thanks again guys for the extra information!

John

[streptile]

On this one I don't know, Trevor. And, when I don't know, I say so. Someone throw me a line...

Well, let me ask this, as a way of stimulating discussion: I have read in a few places on this forum and in at least one reference book, that there are at least two Ubergroße makers. Or, to put it another way, that multiple jewelers made Ubergroße EK2s, and that these have noticeable differences.

So far I know of only one.

Are there others?

[Roglebk]

What cross is that, Carl?

Hi Trev, cross in post 30 is a full size Übergrösse.

[Roglebk]

"Perhaps I'm not following this thread properly, but I think we have (in Mark's cross and the one that started the thread) a Godet/Zimmermann core in a low-bead count frame that is probably early, but is not an Ubergroße frame."

Agree

"What it tells me is that Godet and/or Zimmermann used different frames early on in their production run. Is that about correct?"

Agree

"Here is the original cross that was determined to have an Ubergroße frame. Can we reach a consensus about whether this is in fact an Ubergroße frame? To me it looks the same as the frames on the two Godet/Zimmermann core EK1s we see in this thread, but not the same as my Ubergroße"

Agree

[Roglebk]

That's exactly the way I see it too, Trevor. The Ubergrosse frame is very easily recognised, whether full-size or cut down. When this thread started I hadn't a clue of any early Godet or Zimmermann frame, what they looked like, etc. But with the help of everyone I've got it imprinted into my brain now.

BTW, your EKII frame looks the same as the EKI's. Core too.

I agree Robert, the both looks to be a match.

[Roglebk]

Well, let me ask this, as a way of stimulating discussion: I have read in a few places on this forum and in at least one reference book, that there are at least two Ubergroße makers. Or, to put it another way, that multiple jewelers made Ubergroße EK2s, and that these have noticeable differences.

So far I know of only one.

Are there others?

Read that too Trevor, but only saw one version so far. Would be nice to see them side by side and to know where the theory came from.

[Douglas 5]

Yes Carl - I can assure you that this U'bergrosse type was made by more than one maker . It is one of the projects I am working on .

Douglas

[Roglebk]

Yes Carl - I can assure you that this U'bergrosse type was made by more than one maker . It is one of the projects I am working on .

Douglas

Cool Douglas! Can we please see that other version in the thread about the Godet with alledged Übergrösse frames?

[streptile]

Yes Carl - I can assure you that this U'bergrosse type was made by more than one maker . It is one of the projects I am working on .

Douglas

Hi Douglas,

If you don't want to share photos and information about the other Ubergroße maker yet, perhaps you could just say, yes or no, whether the "Godet" EK2 that you've identified as having an Ubergroße frame (shown below) has the same frame as the second maker, as it seems not to have the same frame as the first (commonly seen) maker?



Thanks for helping the confused ,