EK2 Für Raub und Mord

[Thomas E Hansen]

Hello guys.
Let me hear your opinion about this piece, would it be worth 60 Eur?
This is the best pictures I can get, sorry.

Its looks like the piece is a 3 piece construction.

Regards Thomas.

[Thomas E Hansen]

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[Thomas E Hansen]

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[zambrotta11]

Hello Thomas,

It looks like crap to me. Wouldn't take it if someone gave it to me for free.

Regards,
Stephen

[Jørgen E]

Isn't this the EK's produced by the russians for propaganda?

Do not know wheter or not this is an original or repro of the award I am thinking about

[Steve Campbell]

A version of this appeared in The Iron Cross of 1939 by Williamson, said to be a russian propaganda piece. There is speculation that what was in the book may not have been what it was said to be, but that I can't comment on. Even the piece in the book would have to have some provenance to be accepted in my mind, or some sort of evidence to back it up. The piece shown here does not even looklike the one in the book. I would save my money, as I think it's a cheap copy of what was in the book. Plus it has a ribbon also? Come on.

[StefanK.]

To me, the above pictured piece, as well as the cross published in G. Williamson's book, are pure fakes. I doubt the existence of these crosses.


Stefan

[Paratrooper]

To me, the above pictured piece, as well as the cross published in G. Williamson's book, are pure fakes. I doubt the existence of these crosses.


Stefan

Hi!

100% agree. Nothing more to say abou this phantasy product for making more money.

Regards
Andreas

[münster]

Is there one in the Niemann catalog Volume 2? I dont have the catalog on me but I thought I read there was one in the EK section?

[Tiger 1]

Genuine examples do exist.

I am pursuing an EKI example from a US Para's estate. It seems that this paratrooper had a 'thing' for acquiring EKs as trophies as he advanced thru Europe into Germany. His nephew said his uncle apparently kept 'score' this way after he recovered from being shot and wounded. When I first saw the estate holdings there were in excess of 60 various EKIs. A 'Fur Raub und Mord' EKI was among them.

I know that some will say this is just a story. So be it, but this example is the only one I have seen in real time in over 40 years of collecting EKs.

Just some thoughts for what it's worth.

Tony

[R. Schmitt]

I don't see the three piece construction here, sorry, and to quote Darrell in a recent thread, this is a "Crapolla" made piece. I don't know about the Russian Propaganda story, after all "FOR ROBBERY AND MURDER" is written in German on there, a reproduction made for German Anarchists or sth would be one explanation I could think of. No way this was an official badge.
60 EUR is a good price... for 10.000 of 'em on the "(s)crap market

[ekhunter]

Genuine examples do exist.

I am pursuing an EKI example from a US Para's estate. It seems that this paratrooper had a 'thing' for acquiring EKs as trophies as he advanced thru Europe into Germany. His nephew said his uncle apparently kept 'score' this way after he recovered from being shot and wounded. When I first saw the estate holdings there were in excess of 60 various EKIs. A 'Fur Raub und Mord' EKI was among them.

I know that some will say this is just a story. So be it, but this example is the only one I have seen in real time in over 40 years of collecting EKs.

Just some thoughts for what it's worth.

Tony

Do you have any pictures?

[andya]

3 poiece?

[quote=R. Schmitt;2107152]I don't see the three piece construction here, sorry, "


What makes you think they would be be if Russian produced? surely if they were just propoganda pieces they would be cheaply made?

andy

[R. Schmitt]

It came up earlier....

A version of this appeared in The Iron Cross of 1939 by Williamson, said to be a russian propaganda piece. There is speculation that .....

So since Russia had been mentioned, I would think that if Joe Stalin produced Propaganda Pieces against the German Wehrmacht, they would not have them manufactured in Germany....

[QUOTE=andya;2107318]

I don't see the three piece construction here, sorry, "


What makes you think they would be be if Russian produced? surely if they were just propoganda pieces they would be cheaply made?

andy

[Jørgen E]

Must agree with andya ..

In the article I read about this propaganda EK, I did not get an understanding that the EK's were of high quality. Actually I doubt them to be produced by any official firm or being of three piece construction!

If they existed I can easily believe them to be pieces produced by a single firm, or even a russian in his garage metalshop!

Whether or not this is an authentic propaganda EK pre-45 I can't say, but it is absolutely plausible (to me) that they existed.

I would not pay € 60 for it though ;-)