here on the forum. Many of the ones I have seen on the forum IDed as Floch EKs have a slightly different pin than the ones he first sold, so he must have had a different pin on his ones he had made up. I also visited Herr Umlauf at the Souval place in Vienna while I was stationed in Europe in the mid-70s. I spent time with him up in his loft office, discussing medals and etc. with him. He was a very cordial gentleman. He told about the tools wearing out and making new dies; the old supply of pins and catches being used up long ago and the replacements he came up with of lessor quality than the old stock; and the lessening of the quality of the other materials used. I did not see any of the older "Souval" frames in his stock at that time, and he said it wasn't "cost effective" to make the higher quality stuff for sale to his market. He never claimed that the stuff they were making was anything other than reproduction items, and was not intended to be exactly like before. Since his firm was still making stuff, and really never stopped even at the fall of the Third Reich, I do not find it particularly credible that he would have sold "leftover" parts from the firm. I think it more reasonable that he would used them for his own products. He did do some "special items" on order etc.. He went to the very large safe he had up in his loft and showed me some eagle orders, and some awards with diamonds....very nice looking stuff. He also pulled out about 5 Orders of the Dead, all cased, which were very impressive looking.....very fine quality. He said that they cost the equivalent of $1500 each. I brought back a momento from my visit, one of his lessor quality KCs poorly marked L/58. 
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