KC Group to Fritz Runge

[mr bridger]

The link is above in post 3.
Can anyone say whether Runge earned the Silver CCC?

oops,back to the drawing board.

[Adam S.]

I've just read this thread now too. Amazing grouping! Curious how much it cost but I don't expect it to be posted up here. PM me anybody if you know.

[frankandfrank]

http://www.emedals.ca/catalog.asp?item=GRA996

If he sold this with guaranty of authenticity, there must be papers from the familiy of each piece! If not!

[Ludwig]

That grouping was in my collection some years ago. It´s excellent! Congratulations!

[casey76]

it was in your collection too, ludwig???
I´m wondering more an more... How I explained the widow of Fritz Runge is still alive and I vistit her some days ago. Full of proud she showed me the group of her husband Fritz Runge. There is a nice KC in a nice case and other badges but that is not the KC what is shown here.....

[Ludwig]

You are kidding, right? Not that I am too surprised, but what the... And you are sure the KC that his widow had was OK?

[casey76]

I´m sure that the kc is original and all other badges are also original.
I try for many years to buy the fritz runge grouping but the widow does not sell.
I can offer more than the value of this grouping is but no way....The grouping should be in family ownership. There is no way to buy this grouping.
So I´m wondering about this runge grouping what was showed here???

You are kidding, right? Not that I am too surprised, but what the... And you are sure the KC that his widow had was OK?

[Dietrich Maerz]

Isn't that funny?
I would think that someone sold the group to Niemann under a false pretext. I don't think that Niemann goes through the hazzle to put a complete group together.

Just goes to show that provenance can be and is occasionally a very thin piece of ice. Facts are thicker!

[Ludwig]

Isn't that funny?
I would think that someone sold the group to Niemann under a false pretext. I don't think that Niemann goes through the hazzle to put a complete group together.

Just goes to show that provenance can be and is occasionally a very thin piece of ice. Facts are thicker!

That´s correct! I happened to be in Niemann´s office the same day it arrived and I dare to say he hasn´t "completed" it. The grouping has been completed with a photo of Runge, by the collector who bought it from me, but that´s all.

[streptile]

I try for many years to buy the fritz runge grouping but the widow does not sell. I can offer more than the value of this grouping is but no way....

Perhaps it is time to leave the woman in peace, then.

[schönbeck]

There is really nothing more than the medals. The signed photo is postwar and could have been picked up anywhere, the service records are copies.
Its a nice group but papers dont proof anything. Especially since the medals stills seems to remain at the Runge family.

Or what do you think guys.

[frankandfrank]

1 fake group and 1 original group?

[Ludwig]

The only "funny" thing in this story is, that the price wasn´t higher than for an anonymous grouping. I can´t see the point in faking history, when the awards and documents are original? Idiots destroying their own history (I´m certain it was set up in Germany).

[schönbeck]

Maybe detlev realized that the group was put together and sold it as just a group of medals.

[Ludwig]

I´m afraid not.