German Crosses help please

[andya]

Hi
these two crosses are up for sale soon and i would appreciate your opinions. Having looked at the database I take the first one to be a 4 rivet Deschler and the second a Zimmermann. Unfortunately I cannot tell if they are real.
these are the only pics at the moment but if there is any hope for them I can try to get more.
thanks for looking
andy

[andya]

rear cross 1

1

[andya]

cross 2

front

[andya]

rear 2

rear 2

[Cook]

Both look original

[Nico C]

Both are looking good to me.


Best,

[andya]

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[andya]

Many thanks
these two are coming up for auction(not ebay) soon and I wander how much difference the damage would make to the value of these pieces.
Any thoughts?
thanks
andy

[Anthony Evans]

for the prices im goonna throw out a number i am by no means a dealer and could give you what they actually are worth and my screen has a horrible glare on it but from what i could see i would guess about 1400 to 1500 give or take for the zimmerman and about the same for the deschler if im wrong i would be greatfuly thankful if some one would chime in.

[Nico C]

Anthony is quite right.
I guess 1250 euro would be a good estimate.
Detlev had some time ago a DK for sale that was pretty beaten up, but was slightly better than these two. It was sold for 1350 euro.

Best,