Tying together some EK's

[Robert P.]

Hi all,

This is bringing up an old subject with some new discoveries/materials. Using some photos of EK's, I would like to talk about and study the use of a particular frame design. With the permission of 'Luckyluud' I would like to start with an L/12 marked EKI that presently belongs to him. Please note the cross-hatching on the frame adjacent to the swasi on his cross, as well as the cross-hatching on the outside corners of the cross. We'll start with this, noting these points of interest before going on to other crosses with the same features/characteristics.

Robert

[Robert P.]

the L/12 mark...

[Robert P.]

Now, here is another example of the same EKI, only without the L/12 marking. Note the very same cross-hatching on the beading adjacent to the swasi, and to the outside of the frame corners...This seems to be the very same cross, IMO....

[Robert P.]

the reverse, catch and hinge all the very same...

[Robert P.]

turned-up pin end, typical with Juncker...

[Robert P.]

Now, here's where the mystery begins. An EKII with what may appear to be a '109' marking, with the same exact frame...

[Robert P.]

Could this ring stamp be a 'lopsided' '109' strike?...

[Robert P.]

Now, here's another example of what Detlev has called 'a Juncker style' EKII, which I have many unmarked examples of...

[Robert P.]

So, I have been trying to piece together this mystery of a marked L/12 EKI and a ring-stamped '_09', and many examples of 'Juncker type' EKII's - all with the exact same frame...

Did Juncker start with this frame which actually has a lot of the same features of their RK frame? Is my EKI an early unmarked Juncker example? What about this '_09' EKII? It's all very confusing. I would appreciate any input from anyone with any of their own opinions, photos of like crosses...

Robert

[Robert P.]

Here's another unmarked EKII with the same features, same core. I have a non-magnetic piece also with the exact details...

Robert

[tinmantis]

interesting
I'd like to see a montage of all the L/12 mms found on EKs too... (and spangen of course!)
regards
jon

[Robert P.]

Jon,

Have you ever heard mentioned how many different stamps Juncker had? I know the larger L/12 was for their RK's, and was there more than one smaller stamp? I know what you mean, Jon. I've seen plenty of them too.

Robert

[Darrell]

Just me, but I seriously question whether it's 109 on that cross Robert. I's think that there would be some portion of the "1" that would have caught on with the stamp.

No way it could be something else like "69" or "89" etc?

On almost all the 3 digit Maker Marks on EK2's that I've seen, the mark is usually incuse relief?

[Robert P.]

Just me, but I seriously question whether it's 109 on that cross Robert. I's think that there would be some portion of the "1" that would have caught on with the stamp.

No way it could be something else like "69" or "89" etc?

On almost all the 3 digit Maker Marks on EK2's that I've seen, the mark is usually incuse relief?

I thought exactly the same, Darrell, but there is no '69' or '89' EKII maker. It's a mystery to me, so are all of these cross-hatched EK's Detlev calls 'Juncker type'. I asked him why he called them that, and he said that they share the same characteristics.

Robert

[Darrell]

I thought exactly the same, Darrell, but there is no '69' or '89' EKII maker. It's a mystery to me, so are all of these cross-hatched EK's Detlev calls 'Juncker type'. I asked him why he called them that, and he said that they share the same characteristics.

Robert

You have a point. Interesting mystery.