EK 1 Spange by L/17 in mint condition

[zbv500]

Hi all,

I wanted to check up this clasp for the EK 1. It is in mint condition and was never used. The edges are polished and it is marked L/17 in the near of the prong.

The pics may turn out bad, but its evening and I have no good light for these kind of pics. I will do other ones in daylight tomorrow.

I want to put it on the estand and would appricate any values.

Many thanks

Jens

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Its hard to see, but its definatly L/17

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Here are some daylight pics of the clasp...

Any comments ?

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[DavidM]

Hello

I have never come across any bars (spanges) to the EK1 by Hermann Wernstein, (which of course doesn't necessarily mean that this is a fake / reproduction).

However, I have searched the forum and checked all the lists I can find of currently known manufacturers of EK1 bars, and maker L/17 isn't on any of them. I have tried to match the bar shown here to known originals, again without success.

I would suggest that this piece is treated with some caution as it may be a good piece which has had a spurious mark added to 'enhance' it's value, or the whole item is a fabrication, made to decieve. Based on what I know and have been able to find out so far, it's not something I would want in my collection.

Hopefully some of the other bar experts will chime in, as I would love to be wrong over this. These bars are getting to be an absolute minefield. For the time being though, in my opinion I would treat this item with caution.

Regards
David

[tinmantis]

I echo David's analysis
I have NEVER seen an L/17 EK1 spange in my whole life, and would treat this with caution. The finish looks wrong, details wrong, it's awfully thick and the pin looks repro. Then again, it 'could' be a first, with nothing to compare it to
Have you compared the marking with other L/17 marks?
where's it from?
regards
jon

[zbv500]

Well, many thanks for your opinions and explanations and for your time taking to coment.

Actually I cannot tell you from were I got it from, but if you would know you would definatly want it in your collection.

Not everything is known in this hobby....

Many thanks to everyone for their help.

Bests Jens

[tinmantis]

Actually I cannot tell you from were I got it from, but if you would know you would definatly want it in your collection.

If you know something we don't, PLEASE let us know, we are all here to learn.
I would be VERY interested to hear of proof that there is a new identified maker of spangen... what's the story?
regards
jon

[Robert P.]

The pin to the Spange by the 'Unknown Maker'...in Gordon Williamson's book, an original. I have heard and seen an L/16 & L/18, but never an L/17 either.

Robert

[Robert P.]

another by the same maker, the "Unknown Maker'...

[Robert P.]

On page 464 of Gordon's book it shows a very thick Spange, a copy to the 'Unknown Maker'. So the thickness of this badge, like Jon stated, is not a good sign. So far all of the Spangen I have seen are relatively thin compared to this L/17.

Look how thin this original is...

Robert

[zbv500]

Here are some pics to show how thick the clasp is. The swastika area is alittle bit thicker, this caused that the whole clasp looks thicker in the pic.

I will give you more details about there provenance soon, but I canot right now.

Bests Jens