Is this EKII a '123'?

[Danny70]

Hi All..

I wonder if anyone can help me out with this puzzle. Did the makers Beck, Hassinger & Company of Straßburg (123) use two different types of stamp on their EKII's?

I purchased a very salty cross from the estand a while back which was sold as a '123'. The stamp on this one was not incused relief as on other 123's. I have been told that mine may be a 125 or 128 but the characteristics of the cross itself do not match either of these makers. As far as I can see, makers 120,122,123,125 & 128 all used incused relief on their stamps. So, can anyone tell what this one is?

Thanks for looking!
Regards - Danny



The cross itself:

[Peter Wiking]

The marking reads 123 in my opinion.

Peter

[Adrian]

I agree, I read it as a '123'.

[Danny70]

Thanks for your replies Peter & Adrian,
Yes, I agree it does look like 123, but really my question is: are there 2 differing stamp types known for this maker? My cross itself does indeed look like the 123 posted in the image section of this site - only the stamping is of a different style.
I'm just curious about this.
Regards - Danny

[Peter Wiking]

Thanks for your replies Peter & Adrian,
Yes, I agree it does look like 123, but really my question is: are there 2 differing stamp types known for this maker? My cross itself does indeed look like the 123 posted in the image section of this site - only the stamping is of a different style.
I'm just curious about this.
Regards - Danny

I do not know Danny. I would not worry though. If you take your time and checking other makers you will see that there can be variations of the markings. The cross you show looks perfectly original to me.

Peter

[Danny70]

Thanks for the reply Peter,
I didn't doubt it's authenticity, but just was interested to know about the mark.
Anyone else out there got a 123 with this style of stamping?
Thanks again!
Regards - Danny

[RICK S]

Thanks for your replies Peter & Adrian,
Yes, I agree it does look like 123, but really my question is: are there 2 differing stamp types known for this maker? My cross itself does indeed look like the 123 posted in the image section of this site - only the stamping is of a different style.
I'm just curious about this.
Regards - Danny

Hi Danny
The one I have apperars to have a different stamp type.

[Danny70]

Thanks for posting yours Rick,
That is the incused relief stamp I was refering to earlier. It's a much clearer style of stamp which doesn't cause any confusion like mine does!
BTW - Great looking cross you have there! Can I see the full cross for comparison purposes... the corners on mine do not look to be as rounded as yours. Maybe 123's used 2 frame types aswell??
Regards - Danny

[George Stimson]

Here's the "123" EK 2 that I'm used to.

[George Stimson]

Reverse.

[George Stimson]

Maker mark.

[George Stimson]

Danny, aren't these the same marks as on your EK?
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=203635

[Danny70]

Thanks George,
I did see this thread and it prompted me to post my questions!

It surely does look like the same stamp, only mine is more centred on the ring showing the complete stamp. I have seen another post elsewhere showing yet another cross with the same stamp but the owner had decided that it was a 125, as he had recently gotten another 125 with an identicle frame and a clear maker mark.

My only problem with that theory was that I had checked other 125's and they too had incused relief maker marks and different frame characteristics. So, maybe 125's had 2 frame types then?!

Regards - Danny

[RICK S]

Ek 2 Mm 123

Hi Danny
Pics as requested hope they help with your question.

[RICK S]

ek 2 mm 123

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