Need opinions about an EK 1 and EK 2

[Paratrooper]

Hi,

a collector friend of mine got a detuction direct from a vetran of the german air force.
The deduction is complete and all except the EK 1 are pieces without doubts.
My thoughts about the EK 1: Perhaps is it an old piece with an exchanged Reverse Set up?!

Or is it a complete fake?

The EK 2 IMO is a good piece. I cannot read the marking on the ribbonring and there is also a mark on der solering. It's an X.

Can anyone tell my the maker and the meaning of the X mark?

I am pleased about each opinion!

Regards
Andreas

[Paratrooper]

Reverse

[Paratrooper]

Detail showing the IMO good quality

[Paratrooper]

The EK 2 Obverse

[Paratrooper]

EK 2 Reverse

[Paratrooper]

Makers Mark on the ribbon ring

[Paratrooper]

X mark on the soldering

[ben bijker]

Hi Andreas,

I agree that the ek2 is ok.
It's a wideframe as far as I can see, and mm24 occasionally had extra markings on the small ring.
(Although I can't really make "24" from the stamp in the ring.....)

The ek 1 is not original IMO.
The shape of the cross looks very much like the so-called ek1 round 3 fake.
(Including pin and setup)

Regards,
Ben

[Paratrooper]

Hi Ben,

thank for the fast informative reply.

Regards
Andreas

[franki]

Hello,

EK1: nice attempt to create a B Schinkel typ. Unfortunately a fake

EK2: nice one. As already mentioned 24er.

Best Franki

[Hank C.]

I have a thought. I believe the EK1 is a replacement. If the rest of the grouping is complete, it's very possible that the original was lost/sold/traded at some point. The veteran wanted a replacement, and was able to secure this one.
Just conjecture, but I have an identical EK1 in an otherwise complete and ORIGINAL grouping. Somewhere there should be a differentiation between a replacement - bought in lieu of an original - and a fake - produced and sold to deceive.

best,
Hank

[ben bijker]

I have a thought. I believe the EK1 is a replacement. If the rest of the grouping is complete, it's very possible that the original was lost/sold/traded at some point. The veteran wanted a replacement, and was able to secure this one.
Just conjecture, but I have an identical EK1 in an otherwise complete and ORIGINAL grouping. Somewhere there should be a differentiation between a replacement - bought in lieu of an original - and a fake - produced and sold to deceive.

best,
Hank

The ek1 may be bought as a replacement, but it is a fake.....


ben

[LuckyLuudje]

The EK1 is postwar IMO.

The mark on the EK2 is found more on a mm24 EK2.
Here is the same mark on my mm24.

Best regards,
Luud

[TerryG]

EK1 is certainly not original, no question about it.

[Paratrooper]

Hi,

i thank you all for your help and interesting opinions like this one from hankmeister.
Perhaps this EKs were offered early after the war as replacement pieces. This could be the reason why they where found in other nearly complete deductions.
But as Ben said: The ek1 may be bought as a replacement, but it is a fake.....

Regards
Andreas