A Little Survey

[VIPER]

How many of our members own or have owned S@L Knights Crosses marked with the elusive 800 and 4. Were they New in the box condition or worn...............Thanks Jimmy

[Dietrich Maerz]

Interesting question!

And, while we are at it: How about the difference in the incuse "4", which is not even close to the other "4" of the 935?

Another question comes up when discussing this topic:

It has been proposed that the use of 935 silver was done to be easy on the newly repaired die. Apart from the technical fact that the difference is marginal (compared to the usual 10 ton press used), why did 'they' go back to 800?

The dent row in the 800-4 is less pronaunced than the 935-4 so the 800 B-Type frames were stuck later, IMHO.

What about the 935's. Going back to 'softer' silver or struck before the 800-4 (to stick with the soft silver thesis..)

And, another very puzzling question, why did 'they' use '800' incuse? And used a (fairly) normal 800 stamp (w/o the '4') on other B-Types?

Dietrich

[Dietrich Maerz]

Just to elaborate a little more on the multitude of S&L B-Type crosses, here's a non-magnetic, neusilber, B-Type. Remarkably, no beading flaws whatsoever! So it was possible to use the repaired die with Neusilber early on. (Neusilber is harder that silver). Loop marked "800" in the middle...

[Dietrich Maerz]

The dent row isn't too shabby either. Fairly good that is.

[Dietrich Maerz]

Comming back to the 800-4 - here's the dent row of such a cross.

[Erickn]

800-4

Hi Jimmy,

I have owned two micro 800s, two 935-4s & three 800-4s over years. At this time I`m down to one micro 800 & one 800-4 (which Dietrich has examined) Both micro 800s in used condition. One 935-4 Beautiful, cased untouched mint, the other appeared to have been used but still frosty. One 800-4 mint & cased, the other two 800-4s showed wear & age. I never thought the 800-4s were rare or scarce but, there does not seem to be many around. Hope this helps.

Best regards,
E.

[Dietrich Maerz]

Erick,

to the best of your recollection: Did the mint 800-4 have the same type of frosting the mint 935-4 had?

[Erickn]

Erick,

to the best of your recollection: Did the mint 800-4 have the same type of frosting the mint 935-4 had?

I can`t remember exactly. The 935-4 was best looker w/ the beaded edge just frosty white. It was so nice I didnot want to touch it. The 800-4 was very nice but, not as nice beautiful as the 935-4. Sorry I know that does not answer your question. It has been to long ago.

E.

[VIPER]

Is it not possible that the incuse 800 4 crosses were made before or at the same time as the 934 4. The softer silver of the 935 accounting the slighter greater definition too the dent row. The softer silver being more malleable. Also what is the loop marked on you crosses. Mine is 935............Jimmy

[VIPER]

Another thought comes too mind. Why not compare the 2 incuse relief 4 markings to a known doccumented war time awarded EK I and see which type is on that cross. Anyone got a incuse 4 doccunented war time EKI out there...Jimmy

[Erickn]

Three fours

Another thought comes too mind. Why not compare the 2 incuse relief 4 markings to a known doccumented war time awarded EK I and see which type is on that cross. Anyone got a incuse 4 doccunented war time EKI out there...Jimmy

Hi Jimmy,

Here are three fours for you. Hope this helps.

E.

[Erickn]

Ek1

[Erickn]

800-4

[Erickn]

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[Erickn]

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