EK1 1939 "800" Screw back

[jani_tiainen]

Dear Friends,

What do you think of this?

Jani

[jani_tiainen]

I'll get better pictures later, sorry about "denazification".

Jani

[jani_tiainen]

Last one for now.

I would appreciate any help expecially if its fake so I can return it when it arrives....

Jani

[Hank C.]

Hard to say. Judging by the pics, it's got a Souval frame. Did Souval do anything like this?

Hank

[DavidM]

Hello

I have never seen anything like this attributed to Souval. That said, the front frame certainly carries all the hallmarks of a Souval, but the backplate is very reminiscent of a WW1 EK1, with the small screwdisk, (which possibly should have a larger plate under it), and the '800' stamp. Again, I have never come across a WW2 EK1 carrying an '800' stamp - which of course doesn't mean that there aren't any.

Now, pure and total speculation on my part here, but it is thought that Souval may have supplied rims and frames to other manufacturers. Assuming this to be so, is it possible that this is an EK1 of very early war manufacture, using a surplus or left over WW1 rear plate set up but a Souval made front rim ? The potential flaw in this is that WW1 EKs are normally smaller than their WW2 counterparts. The only possible solution to that is that after pressing the rims, backplates etc out they were hand finshed and trimmed. If this was left ready to be trimmed it might have been adapted to the WW2 rim.

The only other logical conclusions are that this a very rare piece from Souval, or a fantasy item produced after the war for the collectors market.

Regards
David

[LuckyLuudje]

Hello

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The only other logical conclusions are that this a very rare piece from Souval, or a fantasy item produced after the war for the collectors market.

Regards
David

Nice theory and well said.
But I have encountered 2 more like this last year.
For example this one for sale at a German Dealer.
http://www.philipp-militaria.de/Bilderseiten/1402.htm


Regars,
Luud

[ben bijker]

I think it's a fantasy piece as well.
Apart from sloppy soldering, and the fact that I'm not a big fan of Souval "dipping 3"cores, how is this supposed to be attached to a uniform???

The space left between the cross and the disc will be about one cm,
it must be a speciall issue for the Stalingrad-K******228;mpfer.

I don't like it at all....
(but that's just my opinion)

Regards,
Ben

[all1knew]

Hello,

Well, I would say this is NOT a genuine TR produced item. Souval frames are out there, and even Floch used some I believe........

William Kramer

[franki]

Hello,

I would stay a way from this cross.
'Never have seen a genuinel 800 stamped silver back plate cross.
The srew thread is very crude soldered. Souval was indeed a "bungler" but this is also to much for him.

Best Franki

[all1knew]

Hello,


The srew thread is very crude soldered.

Best Franki

Well, hopefully the screw threads are European and not American threads; I'd still stay away as well.

William Kramer

[jani_tiainen]

Well, hopefully the screw threads are European and not American threads; I'd still stay away as well.

William Kramer

Thanks for everybody for ideas! As soon as I get better pictures I'll be able to compare the core with other crosses.

Jani

[Jesse]

Dodgy Cross. Check out previous threads on this forum, there are no genuine 800 marked TR cross' out there.

Jess

[MrSmith]

Dodgy Cross. Check out previous threads on this forum, there are no genuine 800 marked TR cross' out there.

Jess

That's a very broad statement to make, this piece could well me a private purschase piece that was made prior to 1941 when the production of awards was greatly standardised.