Any idea on the makers of these EK2's

[Andy B.]

Hello Everyone,
I have had these two crosses in my collection for awhile now. I figured it was time to see who made these (if possible from my pics). Any and all help is appreciated.
Thanks in advance!!
Andy B.
PS. If they are id'd, please let me know the points that are attributed to that particular maker-if possible.

[Andy B.]

and the back of the first one....

[Andy B.]

The second cross.....

[Andy B.]

lastly, the back of #2.
Thanks again in advance

[DavidM]

Hello

The first one looks like a Rudolf Souval piece. I'm basing this on the classic 'birds foot' pattern on the outer points of the beaded rim. I've enlarged the bottom part of your picture to show this. Look in particular at the left pointed edge of the beaded rim as this feature is quite easily seen.

The second one I'm not sure about.

Regards
David

[Andy B.]

Thanks David, I really appreciate the help!!!
Andy