ask help for a brass core EK1~~~

[Darrell]

这个才是100的别条~对比一下细节~
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嘿JC... 好一个您显示... 是我的

Nice one JC, that's my cased "100"

[jcwater]

嘿JC... 好一个您显示... 是我的

Nice one JC, that's my cased "100"

yes yes~~~HOHO~~~~~~~I like it~

[Chet Sowersby]

I still don't understand why anyone would have considerd this to be a Floch. Perhaps they didn't do their homework?

Chet

[Henri S]

Definately not a Floch.

[Paratrooper]

Definately not a Floch.

That is correct. One does not need to discuss about such absulutely clear things.
That's my opinion.

Regards
Andreas

[chillstar]

Thank you all,friends.
your opinions sound so well to me.
and what's the "floch" mean? does it mean a special fake model by special person or mean all fake ones?
I search the key word,but I have not the access to read articles about floch.
please give me a short explain,thank you again..............
and were all EKs with brass core given to marine man? I wish it was award to a brave marine man.

[Tiger 1]

chillstar,

Fake EKIs have acquired the nickname "floch" because of the prominence of a certain Johannes Floch in getting them to market. Are all fakes a "floch"? No. But that moniker has gained popularity among collectors and has stuck.

Brass cored EKs are not specifically for naval (marine) personel. That has become somewhat of an 'urban legend' in the collecting field. Brass cored EKs are a manufacturer's variant that some makers produced. It sounds good as a selling point but has no conection to any specific branch of service whatsoever.

Tony

[Paratrooper]

Hi,

an addition to the article from tiger:
Floch is a juwelier born in austria and works there. He never sold the copies as original, but many dealers buy this reproduktions from him for making money by selling the items as originals.

For example the L15 of crosses he made missed the "/" between the L and the 15 for showing the collectors that this is a repro.

From this point of view nobody can make reproaches for manufacturing the items.

Perhaps he should have marked the repros in a better way.

Regards
Andreas

[Santi]

Hi,Tiger and Aldwyn........
what's your clear opinion about it? for the lauguage reason, I am not very sure about your mean.
Is it good or floch fake?

Hi buddy

Well, to be honest, i dont know much about floch, but i like the cross, i dont thinks its a fake....but, hear others people comments, that will be better than mine, proffesionals will help you out more than what i can do

[meriksson]

Chillstar here you have a pictuer that shows what to look for at a W&L maker 100, same is for EK1 and 2 class. But 1EK dont have that ring, but they share the same rim and core. And also the pin type is some special on those W&L. Enjoy
Mikael

[Darrell]

Floch is a juwelier born in austria and works there. He never sold the copies as original, but many dealers buy this reproduktions from him for making money by selling the items as originals.Regards
Andreas

Really? I've read stories from members here that have seen him or his lacky's at Militaria Shows "selling" his wares as originals

[Dietrich Maerz]

For example the L15 of crosses he made missed the "/" between the L and the 15 for showing the collectors that this is a repro.
Andreas

It is true that Floch's L15 have no "/" but there are legitimate L15 with Souval frames that also have no "/" - so that argument does not count. You find Floch copies with a multitude of markings and the only logical conclusion is that this was done to trick people into something.

And this argument that he sells only to dealers and they are the bad guys is a poor one.

He's making big time money with his wares and he's a faker, IMHO!

Dietrich

[meriksson]

Well here is my IMO, i cant separate the Orth L15 mark from mr Floch´s. I have tryed, they match even the souval frame Orth. Imo i will go whit Frank "Moderator" as the only real L/15 i trust is that L/15 not the L15. Only the L/15 whit dropp shape pin like Maybauer.
Mikael

It is true that Floch's L15 have no "/" but there are legitimate L15 with Souval frames that also have no "/" - so that argument does not count. You find Floch copies with a multitude of markings and the only logical conclusion is that this was done to trick people into something.

And this argument that he sells only to dealers and they are the bad guys is a poor one.

He's making big time money with his wares and he's a faker, IMHO!

Dietrich

[Dietrich Maerz]

Mikael,

I agree with that - the only 'real' L/15 is the Orth one. I was only trying to make a point about putting a 'bogus' mark on to 'warn' collectors. How many do know about L15 and L/15 and Orth and Souval and all that??

Dietrich

[meriksson]

Dont forgett Dietrich there is Orth L15 whit normal Orth frames also!
= Same as dot 12 o`clock Orth frames markt 15. That is a mystery for me!
Mikael

Mikael,

I agree with that - the only 'real' L/15 is the Orth one. I was only trying to make a point about putting a 'bogus' mark on to 'warn' collectors. How many do know about L15 and L/15 and Orth and Souval and all that??

Dietrich