KC core opinions needed!!!!

[Kevin V.]

Hi guys I am thinking of buying this textbook K&Q KC "800", loop "800 65" that is in a small grouping but I have some concerns on the patina of the core!!!! Has the core been retouched or repainted or am I completely wrong here!!!!

Sincerely
Kevin

[Kevin V.]

1

[Kevin V.]

2

[Kevin V.]

3

[Dietrich Maerz]

Kevin,

there are two possible ways to repaint the core. One is to cover up the beading very, very carefully and paint the core. The other one is to disassemble the cross - something that is not very easy.

Look for traces of both possible procedures.

Especially the disassembly should leave some traces. Look at the ring halves. Are they perfectly located to each other? Any offset? Look for ony heat signs on the rim or traces to remove such heat signs. Resoldering requires not only to open up the old solder but also to remove and clean the new solder line.

Repainting of a core makes only sense when the core was 'ugly' before. This means missing paint in most cases and rust. Unless the to be repainted core has been sandblasted and cleaned of the old paint (something that one would for sure do if one opens the frame) you might find uneven surfaces under the new paint. In that instance I would think that the core has not been removed and would look for paint signs on the rim or 'steps' and 'rust bubbles' under the new paint.

60 plus year old crosses tend to collect very ugly things under the rim and in the corners. You would not belive what you would see under the microscope. If that is not longer there the cross might have been cleaned extensively and then repainted or the surface has been 'refreshed' with oil or such! This is never a good sign but can be detected very easy.

At any rate, the pictures you provided are not sufficient to make any safe statement about repainted or not.

Dietrich

[StefanK.]

dear kevin,

the swastica is not from a K&Q die as these crosses had a very striking swastica with very thick arms. the numerals looks ok at first glance, so my opinion is as follows:

the cross was denazified and the swastica was reassembled later on. i think you can even see traces of the "denazification" (hilfe dietrich, sagt man das so auf englisch? ), as the ribbed part of the frame near the swastica looks damaged.

regards,

stefan

[StefanK.]

here is a nice shot of one of my K&Q's, awarded to a "GD"- man.

you can clearly see the prominent swastica and the nice, unfinished edges.


stefan

[heinrich66]

FRom those pics i would agree with Stefan- looks like a reworked swaz from a former denazification. The german slang is "Halboriginal" or half original

[Dietrich Maerz]

Denazification is correct! I didn't even look at that. You are right - I was so fixated on the paint.

Dietrich

[Kevin V.]

Denazification is correct! I didn't even look at that. You are right - I was so fixated on the paint.

Dietrich

Hi guys thanks for the help, when I saw it today it noticed something wrong when I inspected it but I focused on the paint!!! As I compared it with the one I have in my collection I can clearly see the differences!!!
I contacted my friend and he will return it to the original seller!!!!

Sincerely
kevin

[Kevin V.]

dear kevin,

the swastica is not from a K&Q die as these crosses had a very striking swastica with very thick arms. the numerals looks ok at first glance, so my opinion is as follows:

the cross was denazified and the swastica was reassembled later on. i think you can even see traces of the "denazification" (hilfe dietrich, sagt man das so auf englisch? ), as the ribbed part of the frame near the swastica looks damaged.

regards,

stefan

Hi Stefan you are absolutely right on this,when you look at the inner part of the ribbed part of the frame you can clearly see the traces of denazification!!!!
Sincerely