Two unmarked Iron Crosses 1st class

[FestungSpanien]

Hi
Sorry if I bother someone as this question may have been asked many times.
I am not very keen on EK's and I would like to have some feedbacks on those two crosses as well as you sharp-eyed people could tell me the makers according to its fabrication characteristics.
Thanks for helping
Ace

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Left one

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Right one
Thanks
Ace

[FestungSpanien]

Nobody can give a hint?
Ace

[gasschutzgerate]

hello
the cross of left is one K & Q ( 65 )
best regards
Roland

[Adrian]

and the one on the right is a Souval.

[meriksson]

Yeppers K&Q and Souval in that order
Mikael

[FestungSpanien]

Thank you very much,pals
Ace

[Minas Henrik]

Nice crosses you have there.

Regards Henrik.