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    #16
    Thanks for this Peter

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      #17
      Hi Peter,
      A great article, I tip my hat to you

      I want to ask you why the L/21 crosses are considered Floch. Is it because they have the same frames?
      The reason I ask is because they are made much better and are correct in every way including the correct "/" in the L number and they have the non-spin retaining pin. Yet the other Floch screwback is made very poor with no pin and a different screw device. Almost as if it is made by two different people.
      Have you explored the idea that the L/21 crosses are of the period (pre '45) and that Floch bought the dies after the war to produce the now notorious Floch fakes?
      What is the difference between the "Floch" L/21 and other crosses observed by the wartime maker of this LDO number?
      In no way is this negative, but a positive thought to enhance the already excellent article you have submitted to the forums.

      Once again,
      Well done.

      Cheers,
      Brett

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        #18
        Informative AND good looking, well done, Peter!
        Cheers, Frank

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          #19
          Thanks all for the kind words. Allot of work was put into this article and in particular the research. Regardless of what hardware that is found on these pieces, the frame and finish or lack of finish is always the same. I am sure that Floch had people helping him that once worked with award manufacturing during the war. I am as well sure that some of the tooling used is wartime. I think however that the tooling for the frames are new.

          Below are two Floch reproductions.


          Cheers.
          Peter
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            #20
            Excellent reference! I have a few (to me) fundamental background questions though.

            1. Apart from Floch being a type of fake - who/what is/was he?
            2. Are these Flochs still being produced and when did they first surface?
            3. Where do they come from?

            Thanks a lot, good work

            John

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              #21
              Peter,
              Outstanding work on your part for the benefit of our community. Thanks!

              Chet
              Zinc stinks!

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                #22
                Thanks Peter - very professionally presented. An valuable tool for the collector!

                Scott

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                  #23
                  Very nice and informative article Peter, kjempe greit

                  Wanted to download the pdf but Rapidshare has removed it. Any chance to get it somewhere else?

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                    #24
                    Peter...GREAT job. Thank you very much for the insight!! I will reference this quite often I am sure.
                    Andy B.
                    Collecting minis and KVKs

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                      #25
                      Wow

                      Hello,

                      WOW. While I have never been burned by a Floch (I am young and haven't the time to even find these badges) I will say that you have perhaps saved me some real money!

                      Thank you so much for all of your hard work. Peter, you are a true asset to this forum.

                      William Kramer
                      Please visit my site: https://wehrmacht-militaria.com/

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                        #26
                        Excellent reference! I have a few (to me) fundamental background questions though.

                        1. Apart from Floch being a type of fake - who/what is/was he?
                        2. Are these Flochs still being produced and when did they first surface?
                        3. Where do they come from?
                        1. "Floch" as in Johannes Floch
                        2. Judging by the numbers still sold and available in full crates (as reported by from several US shows), they still are produced. First surfaced early 80ies.
                        3. Austria.
                        Cheers, Frank

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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Peter Wiking
                          I have uploaded the article on Floch reproductions. You will find it here:
                          http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=147722

                          Enjoy the article.
                          Peter
                          Why do I don't have permission to access this page? I am a recent member?

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by Flattop
                            Why do I don't have permission to access this page? I am a recent member?
                            Hi.
                            You need to be a Association Member to access the article and many other nice features. It is a 25 US Dollar cost. It will be your best investment you ever do as a collector.

                            Cheers.
                            Peter

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Peter Wiking
                              Hi.
                              You need to be a Association Member to access the article and many other nice features. It is a 25 US Dollar cost. It will be your best investment you ever do as a collector.

                              Cheers.
                              Peter
                              Thank you Peter.

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                                #30
                                Fantastic presentation Peter!!!! Thank you!!!

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