Souval Frame Article

[Munin]

WOAW!!!
Thats great work...

Terje

[bratwurstdimsum]

Peter, YOu have set a precedent for presentation of WAF articles, Well done! I'd be most interested in your FLOCH article.

[luftwaffe303]

Thank you Peter! What a great tool for all of us!
Best
Thomas

[Mark Holmes]

How embarasing... I wish I'd read this yesterday.

Honestly, as a member of the great unwashed masses of cross collecting, this is the best, most informative, and most clearly presented article I have seen on the site by far.

Here here :- My thoughts exactly . If all articles were written and described in that way id be as smart as you guys..

Stomper.

[Mathomhaus]

As a footnote to your photo of the repro '60's-'70's Souval RK: while the majority of the ones that were on the collector market back then had 800 stamps on both the front and the back of the silver frames (just like you show in your excellent presentation), the company also made RK copies that had the 800 stamp just on the back - sometimes in combination with their L/58 mark.

Many of the double stamped RKs were sold by a NYC company called Globe Militaria through full page ads in Shotgun News (along with all of the other IIIR medals & badges that Souval was busily cranking out back then - many of which, by the way, were awards that Souval was never authorized to make pre-'45). The basic RK sold for $25 plus S&H. The more properly marked examples were never sold directly to the public but somehow wound up in the hands of dealers... and subsequently in the collections of their more gullible customers.

FYI: In the 60's and 70's, at least in the Northeast US, most collectors would never touch any IIIR award with Souval markings. If you happened to come up with a cross or other Souval-marked award from a vet, you just set it aside and hoped to trade it one day... if you could find someone who was willing to believe you that it was, in fact, vet-acquired. (One of the few exceptions were the higher Azad Hind awards - mainly because Souval was apparently the only maker of them.)

Jim

[militaria pat66]

Super Work, Super Peter!
Thanks, pat_66

[Peter Wiking]

As a footnote to your photo of the repro '60's-'70's Souval RK: while the majority of the ones that were on the collector market back then had 800 stamps on both the front and the back of the silver frames (just like you show in your excellent presentation), the company also made RK copies that had the 800 stamp just on the back - sometimes in combination with their L/58 mark.

Many of the double stamped RKs were sold by a NYC company called Globe Militaria through full page ads in Shotgun News (along with all of the other IIIR medals & badges that Souval was busily cranking out back then - many of which, by the way, were awards that Souval was never authorized to make pre-'45). The basic RK sold for $25 plus S&H. The more properly marked examples were never sold directly to the public but somehow wound up in the hands of dealers... and subsequently in the collections of their more gullible customers.

FYI: In the 60's and 70's, at least in the Northeast US, most collectors would never touch any IIIR award with Souval markings. If you happened to come up with a cross or other Souval-marked award from a vet, you just set it aside and hoped to trade it one day... if you could find someone who was willing to believe you that it was, in fact, vet-acquired. (One of the few exceptions were the higher Azad Hind awards - mainly because Souval was apparently the only maker of them.)

Jim

Peter

[kvspace]

EK2 Souval Frame

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Hello! This is my first EK2. Can anyone tell me about this cross?

[Sal Williams]

Peter, what are the features that tell you a post war souval from a genuine?

[Koenigstiger]

I am here now for a while and I am very interested in such Threads!!
They are very good for new collectors...

Go on like this Peter!!

Greez
F-16

[Haddock]

Nice job, thanks a lot, Peter.

Learn a lot from your work, very appreciate.

Thanks again.

[Edgar Estrada]

THANK YOU VERY MUCH PETER. I learned a lot. Looking forward to read you next article.
Are there any KC with this kind of frame?

Edgar

[Anthony N]

Thanks Peter, great article So helpful for us beginners, now i know i must have a Souval

[volund]

I totally agree with all the sentiments above. Peter, you are a legend! Thanks.

[Robert P.]

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Hello! This is my first EK2. Can anyone tell me about this cross?

kvspace,

Is there a number stamped on the ring, or is it unmarked? It defiantely has the Souval frame. Is the backside of the suspension ring soldered to the frame?

Robert