KVK-1 w/swords, L15. Opinions ?

[Peter Wiking]

The KVK is a reproduction in my opinion. It has the same hardware as found on Iron Cross reproductions known as "Floch".
The photo i provide show the reverse of a "Floch" EK1 reproduction. Same hardware as the KVK that started this thread.

Cheers.
Peter

[George Stimson]

Here is what's considered to be a good "L15" KVK 1 without swords.

[George Stimson]

Reverse. Note the mounting plate under the hinge.

[Darrell]

No question about it ... a FLOCH.

George is correct. The only accepted L15 is the type with the back-plate behind the hinge.

[Aleksey]

Thanks all for the help in identification of this cross.

[Ponomarev]

Hi George!
KVK showed by you made from zinc?
Thank You!

Alex

[George Stimson]

Alex

I can't tell (no bubbling).

[Laurence Strong]

Here's another one

[Laurence Strong]

the reverse

[Sebastian Bianchi]

May be we can pin some of these into a fake file or something. These fakes have been around a long time and I have an article from a French militaria magazine circa 2000 where it IDs these fakes.

[Sebastian Bianchi]

Strike that - it already is in the Association fake gallery -

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=102204

[jwburchell]

I just acquired a KVK-1 w/swords (late war material and graying due to loss of silver wash) that is maker-marked L15 (horizontally on the pin top and in the incuse relief style) with the oval plate under the top hinge hardware...AND...there is also an oval plate under the pin-retaining, flatwire "C" hook.

While I understand there seems to be general agreement that the oval plate at the top is a sign of an original L15 KVK-1, I cannot seem to find any evidence of such awards by this maker with the oval plate at the bottom, as well as the top. Can anyone verify or comment upon this for me, please?

Unfortunately, as I am away from my scanner at present, I am unable to provide pictures of the attachment details on my cross, but will be pleased to do so once I am able.

Thanks, in advance, and regards,
John

PS: Just found a thread from 2002 discussing a cross that looks identical to mine, except that mine is late-war and graying. The example shown has an oval base plate under both the hinge and retaining clasp, and Gordon Williamson comments positively upon that assembly. The example shown also has a coke bottle-shaped pin that also extends beyond the retaining clasp, the point of which is also almost identical to mine. I think that the L15 maker mark, without the slash (/) is also considered acceptable and original. Have a look:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...hlight=l15+KVK

[Darrell]

Hi John,

Wow, now that's going way back into the archives

If yours looks like the one posted in that thread, it is ok.

[jwburchell]

Thanks for the quick response, Darrell. Yes, I did a lot of searching, as I find that many questions can be answered from the accumulated knowledge assembled on this forum - but one has to look for it and work at it, which is time-consuming. For me, it is a learning experience every time. However, I find that many folks just do not take the time to do their forum research first and just fire-away with questions. I will try and post pictures of this most-recently-acquired KVK for all to see, once I am able to do so.

At the same time, I also picked-up an early to mid-war quality KVK-1 without swords, double maker-marked "4" (incused relief) and die-tool stamped "L/16" - being S&L, if I remember correctly. I am just now beginning my research on that piece.

Regards,
John

[ANDY BUTKUS]

Is this what you mean John?