Army honor roll clasp, thoughts?

[Sammler]

Request any forum members interested to view and comment on a honor roll clasp
being offered at www.jessensrelics.com . It is located in awards section 2. These seem very hard to locate and the construction looks correct. If not already posted in the association forum it would informative to hear the views on detail and expectations with these? I have been looking for one a long time .They are not offered very often and are really quite simple in construction not to mention very hard to locate? For any comments, Thank you in advance.

[Dick Pumphrey]

Hi Sammler,
It looks good to me. I have owned two of these over the years and still own one. The one for sale is at a, I think fair price, and appears to be in very good condition. This dealer is a class act and you would never have any problems with a return should you decide you did not like the clasp. If you are wanting a nice one this could very well be it. Hope this is of some help.
Regards,
Dick

[jacques]

I think it is fake. The color is too bright. the prong have not correct shape. back side color wrong.

try to find it on this forum, you will see the difference with original ones. I would sudjest you to pass on it. Moreover, the price doesn't match, to o cheap for such a piece.
jacques

[skip]

Caution would be advised as this dealer apparantly does´nt know what real LuftGabs, Observer and Para badges are supposed to look like.

Not really a "class act" IMO

Skip

[WARLORD]

I think the badge has a problem. Also the Cossak cross is VERY ? I would be extreemly careful.

[Allan P.]

Here's a good one to make a comparison with


http://www.wehrmacht-awards.net/foru...&highlight=hrc

Allan

[Dick Pumphrey]

Excuse me--- Mr. Jessen is an honest and reputable dealer. I have always been happy with items from him as I am sure other forum members have also. He offers returns and honors that commitment. He IS a class act. If you receive an item you don't like - - send it back. Big deal. Some folks seem only to eager to dismiss an item they have not even seen in person.
Regards,
Dick

[IMPERIAL QUEST]

Excuse me--- Mr. Jessen is an honest and reputable dealer. I have always been happy with items from him as I am sure other forum members have also. He offers returns and honors that commitment. He IS a class act. If you receive an item you don't like - - send it back. Big deal. Some folks seem only to eager to dismiss an item they have not even seen in person.
Regards,
Dick

Agreed, I have dealt with Anthony many times face to face, and never had any problems. I personally am very tired of snap judgements on items that do not match one that a critic has in their own collection.

[IMPERIAL QUEST]

Moreover, the price doesn't match, to o cheap for such a piece.
jacques

Are we to suppose then that the "I paid a lot for it, so it must be authentic" mentatility is to prevail here?

[Sammler]

spange only please

I should have thrown a disclaimer out ... that the post link is because I can not load images. The thread is not the grounds for the remarks of the seller here period. If you have a problem discussing the merits of the piece only then dont bother on this thread, believe it or not other collectors have been around a little bit as well and can easily make or already have their own judgments in that category. I do wish however a rational discussion on the piece. I very much appreciate the detail comments, but IMO the link of the nice cased example does not go very far in hurting this one? The construction is the same? If the gold finish visible on the example in question should be more subdued should not Lufts and Navies be as well? Again appreciate the response for the question on the SPANGE.
Thank you

[Dick Pumphrey]

Hi Sammler,
Let me add - I think that the clasp looks very good. I frankly do not see any problems with finish or construction. Moreover, it appears to be mint. Which is a nice plus. Not all dealers charge overly high prices for their items. Again, I think this is a more than fair price for one of these. So far I have not seen a copy that is constructed as this one is and other known examples are. If a prospective buyer decides that it is not for his collection - then by all means don't buy it. It's that simple.
Regards,
Dick

[IMPERIAL QUEST]

Hi Sammler,
Let me add - I think that the clasp looks very good. I frankly do not see any problems with finish or construction. Moreover, it appears to be mint. Which is a nice plus. Not all dealers charge overly high prices for their items. Again, I think this is a more than fair price for one of these. So far I have not seen a copy that is constructed as this one is and other known examples are. If a prospective buyer decides that it is not for his collection - then by all means don't buy it. It's that simple.
Regards,
Dick

Once again, agreed. It is entirely possible that although a rare award, there may have been many, many examples made that were never awarded and have remained in mint to near mint condition since the end of the war. To my knowledge, these were not manufactured on an as-needed basis. In other words, at the inception of the award, authorized manufacturers simply started producing bulk of this simple, easily struck, and fairly cheaply produced award. If such intricate awards as the Knights Cross are being found in mint and unissued condition, then why not these?

[Dick Pumphrey]

Thank you Steven! Well said and on the money. If there are collectors that want to deal with a "duck with a hernia" and pay his way over the top prices I am SURE they will receive a more original item there. My collector dollars are to hard to come by and if I can find an original at a bargain, why not. Just my two bits worth!
Regards,
Dick

[Richard]

I've bought a lot of stuff from Anthony over the last 20 years and he is as honorable as they come. Being honorable doesn't always guarantee that every item for sale will be genuine. You can't expect someone to know all there is to know about everything. If it isn't genuine, I can assure you that Anthony wouldn't sell it knowing this. The good thing about Anthony is that he as a no questions asked return. I've only ever had to return one item and he took it with no problem.

Other than some softness to the details, the clasp pictured on his site looks relatively good from the obverse but I don't know if the pins would be correct for a genuine piece. Though genuine clasps exist with pins that come to a point, I've never seen one with pins quite this "pointy". The tips are tapered and look as if they were manufactured that way. The one's I have seen come to a point look more like the point was made by clipping the wire to a point. They appear a bit long as well but that could be due to the fact that they are all bent in toward the center giving an illusion of length as opposed to if they were bent away or around the center and not towards each other. If it is genuine, it most certainly is a great bargain at the price. Anthony has had some nice genuine stuff on his site that went for bargain prices before, so the fact that it is bargain priced would not in itself be enough to scare me off from buying it.
Richard V

[Sammler]

Thanks for the input, any pin images would be nice , the example in Gordons book does not show the pins? It is hard to determine any trends in style with these due to the few examples available. For some reason of those that are photographed many do not show these details and they have not been as methodically disected here as other awards.