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    #1

    Rare EK1 for a review.

    Good day gentleman.
    Got offered this rare EK1, non magnetic made from brass/alloy, it is manufactured by Friedrich Orth, Vienna & maker marked L/14. Seller claims it to be ground dug.
    I have my doubts on it & would like to ask for Your help to clear them out.
    All opinions are much appreciated.
    Best regards,
    Peter
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    Regards,
    Peter
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      #3
      I think totally legit Orth type 3 not sure about this being dug out.
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        #4
        I too think the cross is good but it is in remarkably fine condition for a ground dug piece. Though I can’t really imagine why someone would fabricate that tale. It doesn’t really enhance the value of the piece, or shouldn’t at any rate. I love ground dug crosses, but most of them look like the attached images. Nevertheless, soil composition, moisture, O2 levels, and depth can all play a role in either preserving something or eating it up once it’s in the ground.

        Z
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          #5
          the photo seams to be staged? jmho.
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            #6
            Staged was my first thought as well on looking at the images. With the screw plate attached like that, I don't see how it could have fallen off and been lost. So we must assume it was tossed at the end of the war. Fair enough, we know that happened often and accounts for a good many ground-found pieces. However, assuming you are walking toward captivity and you want to prevent some souvenir hungry GI or Tommie from taking your EKI home as a war trophy, do you really re-affix the screw plate AFTER removing the medal from your tunic and just before you toss it away for good? Maybe so. When an ink pen runs dry, I put the cap back on and then toss it in the trashcan. What do you guys think? The relic/ground dug screw-back crosses that I have seen are always missing the screw plate.

            Z
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              #7
              I only worry about the originality of the item,a good story is nice,i do not believe the cross is ground dug John.
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                #8
                Hello and thanks for Your opinions.
                This particular piece is non magnetic made from brass, therefore the condition can & is much better than it usually is for this kind of award made from other matherial. Mostly EK1 and EK2 from ground looks exactly like Zachary showed it.
                I self have big passion for metal deteckting & have dug out pieces in very good condition and very bad condition, depending on soil and matherial used in manufacturing. This one is coming from Kurland pocket (sellers words), place of surrender, many awards was found there and I have bought some before from him. But I can only agree that it can look lake a staged photo, but that doesn´t matter much, important is that it is a war time original or it is not.
                So as far as I understand the verdict is- original award?
                Regards,
                Peter

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by kevin john View Post
                  I only worry about the originality of the item,a good story is nice,i do not believe the cross is ground dug John.
                  Hello.
                  Same here. I also worry only about the originality. Story is just a bonus.
                  What do You think John, is it a good cross?
                  Regards,
                  Peter

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                    #10
                    Peter,

                    Quite right. I say it is a wartime original. Ground dug or not. Staged photo or not. The piece speaks for itself. If the price is right and you are happy with it, I see no reason not to add it to your collection.

                    Regards,

                    Z
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by ZacharyB View Post
                      Peter,

                      Quite right. I say it is a wartime original. Ground dug or not. Staged photo or not. The piece speaks for itself. If the price is right and you are happy with it, I see no reason not to add it to your collection.

                      Regards,

                      Z
                      Thanks Zachary.
                      If it´s a genuine piece I will add it to my collection without a doubt, I have seen these L/14 crosses only couple of times.
                      Please, other opinions are much appreciated also.
                      Regards,
                      Peter

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                        #12
                        original cross ,may be very well real ground find ,i have seen some alu belt buckles from ground like new in condition ,just dirty a bit .
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                          #13
                          Sure, It could be ground dug if it was buried first by the guy who dug it up.

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by swjXE View Post
                            Sure, It could be ground dug if it was buried first by the guy who dug it up.
                            Hello.
                            Could be, could be not. Impossible to be sure about that.
                            Regards,
                            Peter

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by HAF View Post
                              original cross ,may be very well real ground find ,i have seen some alu belt buckles from ground like new in condition ,just dirty a bit .
                              Hello.
                              Thanks HAF and everyone for sharing with Your opinions.
                              There exists also a type of a suspect version with Souval core, which is believed to be after war made. Can we be sure this is not the case?!?
                              Regards,
                              Peter

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