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    British-made S&L RK pic wanted

    Can somebody please post a picture of an example of the RKs supposedly made in England with the S&L dies? I don't think I've ever seen one.
    Thanks!
    George

    #2
    Yes, I would love to see one , also. I have heard of them, but always sighted with the Easter Bunny, or some other rather unplausable story of " I know a guy who knows a guy who saw a guy with a photo of a fake St&L Knight's Cross made in England by a famous dealer and author........Good luck on the quest.

    Bob Hritz
    In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

    Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it can muffle the sound.

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      #3
      Here is a picture of the worst B-Type S&L I have so far. The frame is all over with flaws and the core is unmagnetic. Could it be that this is the alleged British-made model or was that still produced by S&L? I don't know and - frankly - I dont care. In either case it's a post-war model and therefore a fake. And no real frosting, just laquer bubbles.

      From the use of the die I conclude that S&L made a lot more RK's of the B-Type post war then they made before May 1945.

      Certainly it is clear that this B-Type die was in S&L's possession till the end of the 50's for sure since the same frame was used for the 57 model.

      Dietrich
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        #4
        Originally posted by George Stimson
        Can somebody please post a picture of an example of the RKs supposedly made in England with the S&L dies?
        Hopefully still on topic...

        For those that haven't seen it - myself included - here's the one you could buy from S&L themselves in the 80's... maybe still can for all I know..

        Ordered with or without swaz.

        Marshall

        photo credit Gordon Williamson
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        Last edited by Biro; 07-21-2005, 07:12 AM.

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          #5
          I think that now S&L limits their EK offerings to the Second and First class versions, 1957-style, only (at least officially).
          That's an interesting RK, Marshall, but it's not what I'm looking for.
          Brit-made S&L RKs anyone? Or would I be spending my time better looking for a unicorn?
          George

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            #6
            The VERY late crosses could be found with 800, 900 925 markes in these places....


            The earlier better quality ( if it can be called that ) were marked where expected OR completely unmarked.
            Last edited by Dave Kane; 12-17-2006, 02:16 PM.
            Regards,
            Dave

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              #7
              But that is not a picture of one, right?
              George

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                #8
                Right...but who would have thought to photograph such an obvious fake as far back as that!
                Regards,
                Dave

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                  #9
                  Well, maybe some of them are still around that we can get pics of. I hope so....
                  George

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Dave Kane
                    Right...but who would have thought to photograph such an obvious fake as far back as that!
                    Hi Dave

                    By 'obvious' fake, do you mean that these British S&L's were/are distinctive enough in some way that would enable anyone to discern that they were fake just from a visual... or only someone with armed with 'the knowledge' and a jewellers loupe?

                    cheers

                    Marshall

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                      #11
                      No one has ever spotted one of these for sale on e-Bay, or anything?
                      George

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                        #12
                        Marshall, they started out ok albeit light and with a 'silvery' frosting....therafter they became so bad that with just a little study it was easy to tell.
                        Regards,
                        Dave

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Dietrich
                          From the use of the die I conclude that S&L made a lot more RK's of the B-Type post war then they made before May 1945.

                          Dietrich
                          All right Dietrich...
                          Last edited by Brian S; 08-01-2005, 08:03 AM.

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                            #14
                            Nobody ever saw one of these for sale on ePier and snagged the pics, or anything?
                            George

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by George Stimson
                              Nobody ever saw one of these for sale on ePier and snagged the pics, or anything?
                              George what are the indications for one? I have one that is reported to be one and it appears to be identical with Dietrich"s.

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