Early 6 rivet DKiG comparison

[tom hansen]

There was an interesting thread on a 14 rivet DKiG which debated whether or not the piece was original. A recent, well detailed post by Ivan suggests that perhaps Godet had also made some earlier, multi-rivet, unmarked pieces. Such multi rivet pieces have always previously been thought to be attributed exclusively to deschler. I have recently acquired another 6 DKiG and wanted to post pictures of each from a few different views for comparison. It appears that not much is known of these pieces, partially because the later four rivet pieces are more common and therefore commonly discussed. The earlier pieces have a thinner wreath than the later four rivet pieces. Similarly the catch,hinge, and pin are markedly different than the later four rivet pieces, as well as the rivets. It has been suggested that componants of these earlier pieces are made of silver, rather than cupal or tombak, including the backing. Here are a few pics for comparison.

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3 oclock wreath

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12 oclock wreath

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9 oclock wreath

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edge at 6 oclock. Note the wreaths are thinner than later deschler four rivet pieces, as well as those by other makers.

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3 oclock edge wreath

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12 oclock wreath

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catch

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hinge plate

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Interestingly, as Ivan has pointed out, both exhibit a swaz that is thicker in the center and tapers to the edges. Both appear to have silver hinge and pins. One appears to have a silver backing. There appears to be some difference in finishing of the outer wreaths, but the same wreath characteristics of deschler in these. This is in marked contrast to the piece under question (14 rivets) that exhibits a godet wreath (as Ivan has pointed out) and has not been previously described.

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[IVAN]

Hi Tom,


thanks for comparison.

both DK are original.
As we can see well in some parts, wreath is egual but not same hands has finished them ( after stamping it, they finished by hand and then golded). For this reason you can see in some parts in comparison, more material in.

a question , number "4" has a little flaw above ?

....hhmmm , you was quikly to buy second one from Kai

[tom hansen]

Thanks Ivan-


Yes the differences in hand finishing is apparent on both the outer and inner wreath, but the wreaths are identical. I was actually looking for some difference in the wreaths, but the die characteristics are the same. I think that even among the early pieces, the lack of differences in die characteristics points to one die and detracts from the contention of multiple dies, used by fakers to justify deviations among fakes. These pieces are certainly interesting, and I think whenever one comes up, we should post these for comparison. This was not directly purchased from Kai, as I have been banned from buying from his site after the return of an RK that was not up to snuff.

There is a slight extension of the same flaw of the "4" on the first piece posted, but is not as pronounced as on the second. Both show the shape of the "9" for deschler, as well as the blunted "4" and the bulging of the hypotenuse of the "4".

[Marc Garlasco]

Tom,
VERY nice! And I love the new one
Marc

[tom hansen]

Tom,
VERY nice! And I love the new one
Marc

Thanks Marc! Again, I was looking for some differences in the wreaths, but there does not appear to be what I was looking for. The wreaths are the same thin wreaths on the early deschlers. The wreaths shows appear to show more clear detail in the leaves than the later pieces.There is a little more hand finishing on the outer edges of the wreaths than the later pieces. The rivets, hinge, catch and pin are the same. Interestingly, as Gordon points out, some of these pieces have a bright burnished appearance to the backing, as noted on the second piece. It appears more like silver than tombak or cupal, as seen on the later pieces. These early pieces are my favorites and certainly do not come up very often.