Eichenlaub- Opinions?

[Matt L]

Hi guys,

I'd like some expert opinions on this Eichenlaub- specifics, good and bad, would be much appreciated. The top half of the loop has been bent back since it was found. It's not being offered for sale, I'm just trying to authenticate it for a friend.

Thanks in advance.

Matt

[Dietrich Maerz]

Hi Matt,

this is not an original Godet.

Dietrich

[Matt L]

Okay, but why?

[Dietrich Maerz]

Matt,

the pebble pattern on the obverse is not correct. Compare to real ones in old threads. I also have an issue with the shape of the "21".

Dietrich

[Matt L]

Thanks Dietrich- I have tried to wade through other threads about Godet Eichenlaub, but that's no easy task; a lot of images aren't there anymore, a good portion of the time posters haven't labeled their side-by-side images as to which is the original and which is the piece being compared, nor do they often specify the provenance of the 'originals'. And then there's the personal... discussion... that also makes it very difficult to glean valid facts. So I was simply hoping to have people point out very specific things that are good or bad and exactly why. Something like 'here's a real one, and this particular feature is the same or different from the one in question'. One 19-page thread did show an Eichenlaub that seemed to match this one, but I still don't know if anything was settled as to its authenticity. Hell, I'm not even sure if it's reasonable to compare the obverses of one marked '21' with one marked 'SILBER L/50'!

So please just a few specifics guys- and a good image or two of an Eichenlaub with provenance to compare this one to would be great. I promise, I'm not on a crusade to prove this one good or anything I'd just like to be able to see for myself why it's good or bad.

Thanks

Matt

[mmiller]

Matt,

I'm with Dietrich on your Oaks. Here are images of a 'good' one. If you are going to 'dabble' with these high priced awards, you might want to invest in a couple of good reference books. The Iron Cross of 1939 by Gordon Williamson, and The Iron Times by Stephen Previtera are two that come to mind. That's a great way to 'hit the ground running'.

Regards,
Mark

[Gary Cain]

Just a question mark on the Godet you show. I have been under the impression that the "1" should not have the bottom serif. Does that not apply with these awards?

Regards
Gary

Matt,

I'm with Dietrich on your Oaks. Here are images of a 'good' one. If you are going to 'dabble' with these high priced awards, you might want to invest in a couple of good reference books. The Iron Cross of 1939 by Gordon Williamson, and The Iron Times by Stephen Previtera are two that come to mind. That's a great way to 'hit the ground running'.

Regards,
Mark

[Harry]

Correct Oaks, second pattern.....

[Harry]

reverse 21 mark.........

[mmiller]

Hi Gary,

I think I understand your question about the '1'. As far as I know, the number one on my Oaks is textbook. It appears to match Harry's.

???
Mark

[Peter Wiking]

Look at the blurred obverse rim/edge of the set that started this thread, and compare with the crisp and well defined obverse rim/edge of the genuine ones.

Cheers.
Peter

[meriksson]

Peter knows how to kill a fake
Mikael

[Ludwig]

OLs

The first set is

[Matt L]

Thanks for the replies thus far guys

Now I'm curious- it appears from what I've read in past threads and indeed from the images posted here, that there were 3 different types of Godet Eichenlaube:

1) 'L/50'
2) '21' with same obverse as 'L/50'
3) '21' with 'type II' obverse- different from 1) and 2)

Is this correct? Looking closely at the details in the pebbling and one or two other rather more obvious features of the Paepke L/50 and others posted, the one I'm asking about most certainly isn't supposed to be this first type- however I haven't yet found sufficiently-detailed images of the second type to show conclusively that the medal in question is a reproduction. That's not to say I don't believe the statements made above, but rather that it's necessary to be able to see specifically why it's cannot authentic so I can explain to the unfortunate owner who thought he'd found something wonderful.

Matt