Cloth Iron Cross

[Third Tankie]

Hi,

Looking for opinions on this cloth Iron Cross.

The silver thread glows under U.V. the cloth does not

Kevin

[Gew44]

As I said before this crosses, my personal opinion, are faith acts.

Is a different than this discussed few time ago :

https://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/for....php?t=1035455

This type probably personal initiative until few time ago they was very very rare, today are more common than before.

Without solid proof I can't pay 1 Euros for these type, like a very sharped portrait when I can see all the cross details, otherwise is only a story where credibility is lost on the 2nd transfer of ownership.

No offense.

[GAMS1]

A repro , especially if it glows Under Black light , typical .
The black cloth will never glow Under Blacklight !
Nick

[AndyC]

Not a period made cloth cross IMO



Andy

[Mike TM]

In any case nicely made

regards
Mike

[jmcm]

[Third Tankie]

Gents,

Thanks for looking and your quick appraisals.

Looks like another one for the "Garbage" box.

In appreciation.

Kevin

[Third Tankie]

Hi,

I have been advised by a very helpful member of this forum to post an image of my cloth Iron cross under UV light for your perusal and further comments.

[Third Tankie]

Another shot of the same Cloth Iron Cross on a darker background under UV light

[Gew44]

Thanks a lot Kevin,
I know it is not easy to find out that your piece is a fake, I've been there too many times I'm not ashamed.

But you have been very helpful in sharing the images in order to allow others to understand and learn.

As I often say "sharing is growth" and you did it in the best way.

Appreciated

With friendship.

[Dietrich Maerz]

You can take it for what it is worth: based on my research into the small area of cloth items related to my small area of interest I think this is a correct piece. Can I prove it? No! Can somebody at this time prove it is fake? No!
And that is where it stands IMHO!

Dietrich

[GAMS1]

You can take it for what it is worth: based on my research into the small area of cloth items related to my small area of interest I think this is a correct piece. Can I prove it? No! Can somebody at this time prove it is fake? No!
And that is where it stands IMHO!

Dietrich

If all the white threads are glowing under black light , it's a very very bad sign ...
I've never seen period mint white threads glowing . Pink : yes of course .
Washed later with modern chemicals , why not .
Was this EK washed : i don't think so .
If they are not glowing then the debate is still open , you are right !
Nick

[Rick C]

At first blush, almost everyone is leary of an alleged UV reaction. That said, how many times have I watched someone put the blacklite too damn close to the item which skews the results. How many times have we encounted folks who aren't clear that the Germans used synthetic materials that sometimes react to UV but simply believe if it glows it's junk?

Analysis of an item is just that ~ analysis rather than kneejerk. There's a bunch of stuff out there that might be deemed post war but war time examples are later found. My point I guess is we just sometimes need to slow down & ask more questions before we jump in with a judgement/opinion.

[Dietrich Maerz]

If all the white threads are glowing under black light , it's a very very bad sign ...

I don't see any white threads glowing on the cloth EK. What I see is a reflection of the silver parts. No glowing of the black part.
At any rate, this UV test is not a "one size fits all"-test anyway. It is an additional determination factor, nothing more.

[Gew44]

It is true that we still don't know everything.

But you have to see the question as help for those who don't know and personally if I don't have solid proof I tend not to pursue the path of originality even if only by hypothesis.

I am probably son of years as a moderator in the Italian Forum where RSI and others have invented any justifications for "customs" fake pieces and therefore I see personal initiatives with suspicious eyes.

I am ready to make public apologies and I have no problems doing it but according to my conscience I must respond objectively and sincerely to those who ask for help here on WAF.

Still personally little or nothing I know of these personal initiatives, which without solid documentary evidence remain acts of faith.

You can make comparisons between fabric crosses but it would be like saying between 2 paintings by Raffaello which is the real one or the false one by putting them only 1 next to each other without knowing the pictorial techniques.

Mine is not a controversy, but only to say that what is still unknown is such and that the Forum is a huge catchment area.

Personally, I feel I have moral responsibilities towards those who ask for help here.

We are always in the field of hypotheses and personally I prefer to be cautious.