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    The Iron Time..

    Well, i've ordered Stephen Previtera's Iron Time since it's prolly the best book written about the iron cross and it's history. But, i recently learned that there is a small snake in the Iron cross collector's garden of eden. I read this review from amazon.com and now im a bit worried..

    The Iron Time, My Views., May 10, 2001
    Reviewer: Richard Gordon from Northern Ireland
    The delivery for this book, seemed to take forever, but it was well worth it! If you have an interest in the complete history of the Iron Cross, then this is a fantastic book with a wealth of research covering the entire life span of this decoration. I know there are a few other publications which also specialise on the Iron Cross, but I have not yet been fortunate to obtain these, so one cannot provide a fair comparison!

    However, what makes this book special, for me, is the inclusion of many clear, and detailed, photographs of the rarer awards, such as the Oakleaves, Swords and Diamonds, Grand Cross, German Cross in Gold with Diamonds, etc., which are a must for those of us who have never before seen quality photographs of these, let alone viewed them in the flesh.

    The reason I could not give the book 5 stars is due to the number of reproductions I spotted. Firstly, let me stress than I am NOT an expert, but a collector and like all good collectors, I research a piece before making a purchase. My research has highlighted many fakes which are currently on the market, and I was disappointed to find some of these in this book. Given that, in some of these cases, the recipients insist these are their original awards, it would be impolite of the author to say otherwise, but I feel that comments should have been included to say these do not confirm to known originals. One has to remember that these books are a constant source of reference to the collector and as such these need to be perfect! In fairness, the perfect reference book has not yet been written which covers these awards, or has it? What if this is as good as it gets?

    Personally, I would like to have seen more variations on construction methods on the 1st Class from the 1914/1939 period but one has to respect that this is a research on the history of the Iron Cross and not a catalogue of variations.

    In summary, a very fine book, just let down slightly by a few dubious pieces!

    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...35257?v=glance


    I still believe i made the right choise by buying the Iron Time, but could someone tell if this is true or not?
    And if it's true, where are the fakes in the book? Im fairly new at this so excuse me if im getting a bit ahead of myself
    Antti

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    Iron Cross Reference

    I have both The Iron Time by Previtera and The Iron Cross of 1939 by Gordon Williamson. If i had to have one I would choose Gordon's book, it is better documented and has better pictures for ID when one has to compare to a purchase. Sonny

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      #3
      Blitz

      Go here http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...&threadid=9638

      George
      George

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        #4
        Hi Blitz,

        Richard Gordon is a member of this forum, maybe he`ll read this and confirm his review of the book

        Best regards,
        Adrian.

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          #5
          allright

          Yes, Adrian i thought he might be or there is another Richard Gordon out there
          Thanks George, so these are the only fakes? It could be alot worse since it is a 500-page book.. Now I am glad i bought it
          And ill remember to hit the search button next time i have a question..
          Antti

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            #6
            Hello all,

            Yes Adrian was right, I did write that review just after I received my copy, but before the fakes in the book were discussed here in the forum.

            The fakes have been discussed in detail several times over so no need to go there again!

            I was a little disappointed seeing those fake EK1 '39 spanges and the fake EK1 '39's (among others) but at the same time the content and detail of the photos made up for it.

            I think I rated the book on 4* and just for interest I was referring to Gordon's new book when I mentioned other Iron Cross references. I'm still waiting for my copy from Bender so still can't comment which is the better book! (Though from what I've read in the forum, Gordon's sounds like the winner!)

            I would be interested to know if you all thought my review was justified. I made the comments as I wanted collectors, who were planning to use the Iron Time as a bible, to realise that not everything shown there was kosher, but as the same time didn't want to put pontenial buyers off either!
            Would appreciate comments!

            Rich
            Interested in hand-stitched EM/NCO LW insignia and cuff-titles
            Decorations of Germany

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              #7
              Dear Rich,

              It is a fair and good review. I would have rated it in a similar way, although I am not too impressed about quite some mistakes besides the pictured fakes. Whenever some German terms are explained it is done with some mistakes that are based on a not good enough knowledge of the German language and grammar. Doing it this way only encourages English speaking collectors to continue to be insecure in the use and understanding of German terms and does not help to avoid future mistakes.

              I am also puzzled how 18something dates can be referred to as 18th century when they are clearly 19th century.

              But overall, I enjoyed it despite these flaws and also think it has set a new standard for reference books as far as presentation goes.

              Cheers, Frank H.
              Cheers, Frank

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                #8
                Thanks Frank

                Good to know you would have rated the book in the same way.


                Cheers

                Rich
                Interested in hand-stitched EM/NCO LW insignia and cuff-titles
                Decorations of Germany

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                  #9
                  well, im glad this thread clarified some things besides my own issues
                  But, hey! Thats what this is all about
                  Im getting smarter by the minute..
                  Antti

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                    #10
                    Iron Times

                    Those who collect Iron Crosses, have to have such books mistakes or not. I don't think I own any medal book without a mistake in it somewhere. Although it can be annoying and sometimes could be costly if you follow the wrong information, it does in a way make it more interesting.
                    It's just as well we have this wonderful forum to sort out such problems!

                    Regards
                    Andy

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                      #11
                      Too many scheckles

                      The new Tucker book is in the post to me as we speak. But to be honest I really can't wait to get Gordon's book as my next planned buy is the RK (probably 2004 at the earliest). I have wasted so much money on texts with out of focus, black and white pictures. The least said about books with sketched images the better.

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                        #12
                        I have to add as an Iron Cross collector both books are a must. Both are an excellent reference and as for the price both books together are the cost of an original EKI without case. I would consider that a pretty good deal considering one bad EKI will set you back the same amount. The books are different in respect to their focus on EK's. The Iron Times being the whole range of crosses and Gordons obviously the 1939. Their could be a book on each series alone. Again, both are a must for the Iron Cross collector. I'm glad I have them I just finished Gordon's and I am going back for a second time and that won't be my last.
                        Greg

                        The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good.




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                          #13
                          yep, i bet it won't be your last
                          When i get my Iron Time ill follow your lead
                          Antti

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