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**MH184** · 08-11-2009, 09:40 AM

Try a silver/gold wound badge, I think by the looks you have a 629 base (shape of the recess) in that very case opposed to an EK recess (621 KB)

Note that you can also see the impression of a WB on the base, but that never concludes what should be in the case many times.

Kr

Marcus

**kappa** · 08-11-2009, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by Marcus Hatton View Post

Try a silver/gold wound badge, I think by the looks you have a 629 base (shape of the recess) in that very case opposed to an EK recess (621 KB)

Note that you can also see the impression of a WB on the base, but that never concludes what should be in the case many times.

Kr

Marcus

Thank you Marcus;
so, this is an original and complete WB case or EK case with WB base?
I mean if is possible to find this WB setup case

**MH184** · 08-11-2009, 01:37 PM

This looks to be a complete and original case, yes. And a nice example!!

The base will dictate as to which award of either the EK or WB was to intentially reside in the case.

The case (the shell) could accommodate either base: Wound badge a 629 KB and the Iron Cross a 621 KB base. The number/codes relate the punch-out (recess); the cut-out area the pin, hinge and catch fits into.

In the below picture you can see two examples of each base for the WB and EK (VA being the WB) you can see the numbers on the underside of these bases, and hence we are able to relate the award/s able to fit best into the recess.

Many wartime case bases will have a punch number relating to specific award types that could be used in conjuction with that very base from the Luft Flak to the Blockade Breaker badge, and indeed the Knights Cross.

Your example, despite it looking to have had a WB in it in addition also looks to perhaps match the 629 recess.

If you able to remove the base out of the case you will be able to confirm the number and thus most likely candidate to sit in your case.

Kr

Marcus

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**streptile** · 08-11-2009, 10:15 PM

Hi Marcus.

Does it look to you like the base on the example posted may be in upside-down? Or is there no correct orientation on these?

Thanks,

**kappa** · 08-12-2009, 02:25 AM

here's the photo;
the number on the underside of this base is not 629 KB but 642 KB

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**MH184** · 08-12-2009, 11:31 AM

Okay, well, what I believe we may well have here then is a WB badge supplement base. This is not the first time now I've seen the WB case sorts having such a coded base, and in addition to that the EK/KVK sorts appears to also use (when noticed - which is seldom practice through perhaps incorrect identification due to similar triats to 629/621 bases) a 643 coded base.

What is interesting all such cases that have been noted/found to have these bases seem to be of either the LDO description or latter half-cases (devoid of catch).......that is so far and only that I'm am practically aware of.

The 642 by design is you will notice very very similar to the 629, and the same can be said of the 621 compared to the 643. The 643 was also used for other award types.

Just to note: You do encounter in the odd Luft non conventional base codes, I think these adaptations were a necessiity rather than by design or intention.

I am aware of the recess changes in the mid/latter cases and predominantly latter versions. There seems to have been a concept of one recess to fit 'all' to some degree, or that's to say in my opinion.

And a multitide of other trivial irrelevancies in my so called evolution of cases study - no use to man nor beast half the time.

I'm afraid I don't have any definitive answer though for you, but I feel confident to tell you that I think your case would have been intended for the wound badge, and certainly not the Iron Cross.

Kr

Marcus

**kappa** · 08-13-2009, 04:00 AM

thank you for your help Marcus, your answer has been clear and very detailed.

**WEISNER** · 08-16-2009, 04:27 PM

Marcus, I have a Halbetui that looks like this however the base is Black velvet and the markings on the underside of the base are 2598 D&B.
The bottom of the Etui is marked L/55 in red stamp and the inside of the lid is Stamped with the Jewler business name and addy as follows....
S. Ertel
Orden u. Ehrenzeichen
Dresden-A. 1
????? Straße 58
?? 22925
This is my best interpetation of the stamp, Question marks where unreadable.
I got this with a L/50 Godet EKI.
Any thoughts on this? And no it is not the same Halbetui that was sold on the Estand in the past few months although the same inner lid stamp.
I am most interested in the stamp 2598 D&B and what it means... The cardboard cut out matches the EK type posted in Your reply.
Thanks in advance Marcus or anyone else that may be able to fill me in on this!
Kevin

**PzBtl423** · 08-18-2009, 07:00 AM

Originally posted by WEISNER View Post

Marcus, I have a Halbetui that looks like this however the base is Black velvet and the markings on the underside of the base are 2598 D&B.
The bottom of the Etui is marked L/55 in red stamp and the inside of the lid is Stamped with the Jewler business name and addy as follows....
S. Ertel
Orden u. Ehrenzeichen
Dresden-A. 1
????? Straße 58
?? 22925This is my best interpetation of the stamp, Question marks where unreadable.
I got this with a L/50 Godet EKI.
Any thoughts on this? And no it is not the same Halbetui that was sold on the Estand in the past few months although the same inner lid stamp.
I am most interested in the stamp 2598 D&B and what it means... The cardboard cut out matches the EK type posted in Your reply.
Thanks in advance Marcus or anyone else that may be able to fill me in on this!
Kevin

this one

S. Ertel
Orden u. Ehrenzeichen
Dresden-A. 1
Prager Straße 58
Tel 22925

**WEISNER** · 08-18-2009, 01:13 PM

Yep, that is a twin to My case, this makes three stamped as such that I am aware of! Is Your case stamped on the bottom with a maker mark?
Kevin

**PzBtl423** · 08-18-2009, 01:51 PM

sorry, the case ist not in my colection!
best
marvin

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