Walter & Henlein EK2 Packet - late war ?

[Douglas 5]

A blue EK2 Packet marked Walter & Henlein .
Packets I know not much about , so just my assumption it is late war but could be mid war as well . The EK 2 that came with it , seams to be mid to late war made , under review now .
There are a few packets around with 2 types of maker logo stampings . Straight line frame (early?) and 'puckered' ends line frame ( Late?) .
Have seen colors : light tan brown or sand brown , medium to light blue-some fading probably, both in regular paper thickness and the one I have a bit darker blue, but thicker paper , with a construction paper crunch and crinkle sound to it .
A lightly smooth and shiny surface with a somewhat waxy feeling surface as well .
As pictures shows very wavy wrinkles , creases and folds , ... my guess is do to the high glue content maybe - late war ??? A trace of a musty smell to it .
Measurements : approx 10.45 cm wide X 13 cm tall :
From the description and pictures interested to know if original ,(my guess it is) and if it can be determined during which part of the war it was made .
Thanks , Douglas

[Douglas 5]

Full back :

[Douglas 5]

Front closeup :

[Douglas 5]

And back closeup :

[grueni1208]

At the moment I know 5 versions off W&H packets. I think it's not possible to say, which period it was made. Only on the EK II maybe you can decide which period the packet was made.

Regards

Grueni

[Douglas 5]

Frame marked 2 EK2 109 :

[Douglas 5]

Back:

[Douglas 5]

Hi Grueni :
Is this a common packet ? Is it original ?

Douglas

[MH184]

Hi Douglas, the packet is genuine and is found more often than not with this maker or one of many other makers


As for a connection between crosses and packets, it can be used to some extent only, this is a trail of ambiguity and more questions than answers:

- How long was the production the paticular type of packet(or even one type of EK die).

- Packet prodcution would be in excess in any given duration on a parallel, so surplus earlier made packets at a latter date could be used with more recently made awards.

- Was the packet limited to certain award makers in an ''area'', a logistically divided sector (''locally'' produced by a paper mill/printer - there is some evidence to suggest such on other makers and some specific packets {but could the same 'design' could have been used between several factories spread over the country, but not all at any one time too})



...........and so on !!

I have a W&H too, I'm only aware of two guises of the EK2 packet designation with this maker; maker marks there can be up to five I've found variations in individual maker mark forms on any one type of packet (the buff/tan coloured packet shown in an earlier thread is a faded packet)

The span of any maker that produces other awards with packets there's more to add/or some compare as the same type.

This example is the more 'seperated numeral' type on a lesser scale to certain other packets, but still obvious (gaps between the 1 9 3 9)


I have to say though this type of designation is readily found as is the closer together form I own with this maker mark - they are a generic pattern to a multitude of makers.

Are they late war ? Not to split hairs, but was does this mean to collectors ? I use latter and late, for me late is post June '44 where I know production (not use of) of paper packets was coming to a final end basically.

Roughly latter war would be again mid '43 to mid '44 - for me this is.

So Douglas' packet I would guesstimate as pre mid '44 certainly, that much I think I dare say.

For me also the tail end latter produced packets have the designation form of the C. F. Graf packets. This style of designation was the last intened printed proper EK2 large style packet in my opinon (found with numeorus makers also.....not just Graf)

Just some of my thoughts

Kr

Marcus

[Douglas 5]

Thanks Marcus .

Douglas

[GELIS44]

Packet!!

Just bought this off the the E-stand! One difference I noticed is the lack of "periods" in the maker mark. Interesting thread!!

[GELIS44]

[Douglas 5]

Nellis ;
Did not see that on E-stand today ?
Do you have closeup of the cross ?

Douglas

[GELIS44]

Nellis ;
Did not see that on E-stand today ?
Do you have closeup of the cross ?

Douglas

I just bought the packet!! I added the cross to the picture
for some " bling".