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    My new "Otto Schickle" EKII packet

    Hi all,

    The packet on the left I already had, the packet on the right I bought on the last La Gleize show. You can see that the only difference to the designation is the size of the lettering. Large text small date and small text large date? The right packet is smaller and has the size of the purple Maria Schenkl.
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    The back of both packets have more differences, like folding and size/place/designation of the maker. The colour of both packet is different. The scan makes both packets look darker. The left packet is light blue and the right packet is grey blue, which is not because of discoloration.
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      #3
      Very nice examples Thomas

      Allan
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        #4
        Thomas !!! It's colour not color...tut tut, I thought you guys learn't UK spelling (I'm just pulling your leg hehehehe)


        Good lad, you're on a quest and finding some great examples, I think this is the first time we've seen the ''blue Maria'' with another maker isn't it ?

        Keep up the good work mate , you'll have to help do a chapter on EK packets for the book; up till now I think we've called the little blue one the 'other Maria' packet so you've dispelled that use now.

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          Thomas, the size of the maker mark frame too.

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            Originally posted by Marcus Hatton View Post
            Thomas !!! It's colour not color...tut tut, I thought you guys learn't UK spelling (I'm just pulling your leg hehehehe).
            Sorry Marcus Won't happen again

            Originally posted by Marcus Hatton View Post
            Good lad, you're on a quest and finding some great examples, I think this is the first time we've seen the ''blue Maria'' with another maker isn't it ?
            Nope. The lettering of this packet isn't the one found on "Maria Schenkl" packets. Maria Schenkl has 3 different types of lettering, this Schickle (both packets are MM Otto Schickle) has another type of lettering.

            Mistake of mine, the size of this packet is even smaller than the Schenkl packets!!! And yes it will fit a EKII with ribbon

            Originally posted by Marcus Hatton View Post
            Keep up the good work mate , you'll have to help do a chapter on EK packets for the book; up till now I think we've called the little blue one the 'other Maria' packet so you've dispelled that use now).
            I would love to help with the book; I know where to find me.
            I can't find a picture of a blue Schenkle at the moment, but I believe the lettering is the same as the purple packets. Do you have a picture of the blue "other Maria" Packet.

            Summery: other lettering than all Maria Schenkl packets and smaller than Maria Schenkl packets.

            ps. I have more interesting stuff

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              Originally posted by Marcus Hatton View Post
              Thomas, the size of the maker mark frame too.
              Yes it is, forgot that one

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                Thats my boy Yes, I stand corrected it's not the Maria designation or numerals is it.

                Well I'll certainly be using some of your items thats for sure and your help would be more than welcome (I have hopes for you in the realms of packets and cases !!!) , EK2 packet wise: in selection and variation concerning specific's .......you've the best collation I've encountered so far.


                We do need to talk actually, drop me an e mail Thomas we should arrange something; we mean't to last year didn't we !
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                  And the reverse.


                  Rene had a great looking example and I think there is also the best example I've seen so far on the forum as a recent post of this type I post.

                  Mine as you can see is tatty....very tatty !!
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                    #10
                    There's something that puzzles me here; a while back I was looking for some information on a Heinrich Wander WB packet, the packet in question had a left hand "seam"/join - just like the packets here - at the time the left hand seam was considered questionable (by some) as being original on all packets. So am I right in thinking there were left hand seam packets?

                    Mike

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                      #11
                      Thanks for your kind words Marcus,

                      I will drop you an email tonight.

                      Cheers, Thomas

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                        #12
                        Hi Mike,

                        You are right; there are original packets that have a left hand seam. This thread is a example of that. The common packets you see every day all have a right hand seam. Packets less encountered can be found with a left hand seam. I can recall having seen left hand seam on any large packet only on small packets...wrong I have a large Ost medaille packet, but that packet is one of a kind.

                        The moment you think there are no packets with left hand seams, you find one. The moment you think there are no....orange packets you find one,..etc. Not seen it before, doesn't mean it don't exists and doesn't say that it's fake. Because of all the fakes in our hobby we want certain points to focus on, so we don't buy the wrong stuff. We can be very sceptical about a packet or cases we haven't seen before, and that is very good, that's why we have this forum. I can't really give you points to focus on at this time, but left hand seams aren't strange anymore.

                        Best regards, Thomas

                        ps. everybody has his field of expertise, this is mine, but sometimes it's hard to tell someone where to look at.

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                          Thomas, thanks for your information/comments.

                          I'd really like know if my Heinrich Wander packet is correct, if so we might be able to establish another WB maker.

                          Mike

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                            Hi Mike,


                            I'm pretty sure your one is okay, it is an unknown lettering type and the 'scrawl' makers have elaborated on their false designations, often they use a 'unknown' style to confuse us but the paper and other attributes give the game away.

                            On this WB packet, the paper looks to okay, the maker mark I like the look of the designation dosen't shout false.

                            What I could suggest as we are both in the UK is send it to me via 'signed for' post and I'll take a look for you and send it back the same way.....in fact I'd send it back next day special delivery to be safe (insured and tracked that way).

                            There is a postal strike this Friday coming I think not sure if it's a regional dispute or country wide though ?

                            This is your link: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ghlight=Wander

                            Kr

                            Marcus


                            Thomas, large Ost medal packet ? Whats that the EK2 size one ? Is it a Grossmann & Co marked example ?

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                              Originally posted by Marcus Hatton View Post
                              Thomas, large Ost medal packet ? Whats that the EK2 size one ? Is it a Grossmann & Co marked example ?
                              No it's the "Arbeitsgemeinschaft für Heeresbedarf" MM 23. The one I read you are still missing.

                              Cheers, Thomas

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