German Cross in Gold Case - Opinions, Please...

[DonC]

Hi All -

Notmy area, so any opinions as to originality appreciated. It does have the gold band around the top of the case. As always, thanks in advance for your time!

Don

[DonC]

Rim...

[DonC]

Beveled edges top and bottom...

[DonC]

Another view...

[DonC]

The back leather/leatherette hinge cover is cracked...

[DonC]

And, just for the halibut...

[Albert]

Hi Don,

You might want to also check out this thread:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ht=Albert+case

It seems to be difficult to get a consencus on those cases. No doubt such cases existed during WWII. They actualy might be earlier than one would think.

BR,
Albert

[DonC]

Thanks, Albert - The interior is still solidly affixed to the case, so no prying it out for me. The slot where the pin of the DKiG goes has the leatherette finish underneath, if that helps anyone...

Don

[Albert]

Thanks, Albert - The interior is still solidly affixed to the case, so no prying it out for me. The slot where the pin of the DKiG goes has the leatherette finish underneath, if that helps anyone...
Don

Don,
The interior is probably also secured by a pin, right? No point in prying the interior out. Even if all the components are of the WWII type and old glue was used, there still might be voices saying it's an early post war piece made of left over stock. Impossible to prove either way unless one knows where it came from.
Albert

[DavidM]

Hello

I don't know if this case is a wartime produced piece or a 57 item, as I don't know enough about cases to say one way or another. What I would say is that if people believe the really early, 'original' 57 cases where made in this manner, and from left over wartime parts, would that not potentially indicate that these halbetui were also made during the war?

In the 1986 first edition of Vernon Bowens book, 'The Prussian and German Iron Cross' he included a section on the DK, showing both wartime DKs and the 57 DKs. Pictured are original, award DKs from the war, including a cased WW2 DK in the halbetui type case, (page 323), as shown here and in the earlier thread by Albert. Looking from an EK point of view, the halbetui cases for the EK1s and KVKs are considered to be of late war manufacture. Therefore, if they were producing cases in this manner for these awards, why not for the DKs?

I don't know if this helps in any way, but WW2 era DKs are apparently encountered in the halbetui cases, which are also described as being 'of Third Reich era'.

Regards
David

[Albert]

... WW2 era DKs are apparently encountered in the halbetui cases, which are also described as being 'of Third Reich era'.

Halbetuis were definitely used for the DKs in WWII. And, as I wrote above, not necessarily late in the war.

[DonC]

Albert, there is no pin on this one, unlike the case in the other thread mentioned above - it's just solidly glued in place. It doesn't prove anything one way or the other, I suppose... I have to say I like this one, however, from a gut feeling standpoint - which doesn't prove anything, either! It's obvious a cross has been sitting in there for quite some time.

Don

[IVAN]

Hello,

halbetui existed in war time, I don't think were early cases, more probable middle-late time. Probably it can be used for early '57 DK war time cases .

Don's DK case IMO is an original war time .

otherway, DK case present in Albert's topic is a '57 period ( seeing from outer covering )

[MH184]

What put me of Al's example was the outer covering, on Don's example I prefer the outer covering and can relate it more to 'period' examples of cases per se than not.

I can't associate it with any know fake cases or outer covering yet to my knowledge or files.

I still can't say definitively on Al's either.


Thats probably the only the non premise negative I had with Al's overall, the outer covering.

I have no contention in the slighest that these non catch catch cases existed wartime for the DK and would guesstimate as Ivan denotes also, time scale wise.

If Don you can take a non glare pic of the outer covering I can try to match it up with period examples and at that not only the DK case type.

If you look closely a high percentage (devoid of colour for now) of period cases have the same outer coverings - this is to some extent. I think with odd exaceptions being the odd Honour Roll cases and indeed some Luft sorts for two more or less examples (Luft scope being rather large as it is)

I've yet to still really look into RK adn DK cases properly if honest.

[DavidM]

Hello Marcus

I don't know if you have seen it, but in a similar vein, although asking a slightly different question, is Harrys RK case thread:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=182413

With this thread, Alberts and now Harrys, it could be an interesting discussion.

Regards
David