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    #16
    No I don't blame you Harry!

    I'm not sure how a conclusion can be made that the interior is pre-45 though,without having seen the underside of the base??

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      #17
      Harry,
      that sure is an odd combination.

      Do you stil have the case??

      Where did you get teh case from?

      It IS weird, not something one would expect to find in a postwar
      case anyway....

      Thanks,
      Ben

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        #18
        Hello Harry

        I have a Knights Cross case which came with my early S&L 57 RK. The case is (allegedly) a mix of wartime and post war parts, although which parts of it are meant to be wartime and which are post war I don't know - assuming of course that any are wartime parts in the first place. I feel it is more likely to be a good quality, early 57 case, but who knows?

        Anyway, for comparision, here is my case which came with, and contains a very early S&L 57 RK, (the one with the die flaws but which are not as pronounced as the later post war RKs, the B type I think?). The top lid is a slightly different style to the base, as in the edges on the top portion are slightly rounded towards the outer edge, with a thin line running around the top just next to the outside edge, whereas the base has a definate bevelled edge to it. Hopefully this can be seen in the photos.

        The inside of the lid appears to have some kind of wadding or flocking under the silk or satin lining, (I'm not sure if it is silk or satin). I have lifted the base and a photo of what is underneath is attached.

        Finally, the the repro type case which has been mentioned does indeed have a base section which is taller than the top lid section. I have one of these case, which I got in the late 80s / early 90s to house another early 57 KC. The case was made and sold as a repro. If you want any pictures of it for comparison, please let me know.

        Regards
        David
        Last edited by DavidM; 10-15-2006, 10:14 AM.

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          #19
          RK Case Top
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            #20
            RK Case, underside and rear hinge
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              #21
              RK case interior
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                #22
                RK case, full interior
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                  #23
                  RK case, rear hinge
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                    #24
                    RK case, front showing press button
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                      #25
                      RK case, rear side showing hinge
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                        #26
                        Ben,
                        The case has never left my collection except for when I sent it to Kevin. There is a bit of a story behind the case.

                        The case came to me almost 2 years ago from another member. It was with a heavily flawed unmarked 1939 RK by Steinhauer&Luck. At the time there was controversy about wheather the cross was pre- or post-war, it was before we had the so called A and B type pattern frame theory, and opinions were divided. The cross was sent to Dietrich to be part of his study into RKs by S&L and the cross features in his article. During the study the cross was found to definitely post-war.

                        The member I bought the set from was certain the cross was post-war, and he was right, but was sure the case was original. I was also certain of the originality of the case on handling it although my knowledge on RKs and cases as a relatively new collector was not much.

                        The cross was subsequently sold as a post-war 1939 pattern by S&L, but I kept the case!
                        Last edited by Harry; 10-15-2006, 10:24 AM.

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                          #27
                          RK case showing underneath of interior base
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                            #28
                            David, thanks for the pictures!
                            It is a different case though, with round corners and a painted mushroom catch release. Also the cross insert is much shallower and the case is overall a bit slimmer. Does any part of the case glow under UV?? Also, do you have a weight on the case?

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                              #29
                              Hello

                              The white silk / satin lining glows faintly under UV, but not as much as the repro case I have. That said, it glows more than the linings of my other known original WW2 era cases, (not, sadly RK cases but KVK and EK cases), so I don't feel the lining is from WW2 - unless it's been cleaned !! The white edging around the inside of the base also glows. Nothing else on it glows.

                              I have never weighed the case, but if I can find some scales I'll do that and let you know.

                              Regards
                              David

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                                #30
                                Hello

                                I have just borrowed my wifes kitchen scales, and the case weighs in at 83 grams.

                                Regards
                                David

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