Your Thoughts -Gold Wound Badge Case

[Porsche]

Guys,
I picked up a nice cased '65' Gold Wound Badge this weekend. Two things puzzle me;

Shouldn't GWB's be in a White Flocked box? The dealer said that the 'Claret' box is what it came to him with, and that he's had similar matches (GWB/Claret cases) before and thinks it's not an unusual pairing.

and, Wouldn't you expect an L/26 badge in an LDO box rather than a '65'?

I would appreciate your thoughts.
(I bought the badge anyway!!!! )

Cheers,

Neil

[Thomas H]

Hi Neil,

Shouldn't GWB's be in a White Flocked box?

Yes, I believe it should be

The dealer said that the 'Claret' box is what it came to him with, and that he's had similar matches (GWB/Claret cases) before and thinks it's not an unusual pairing.

I have never seen this box before, but I could have just missed it.

Wouldn't you expect an L/26 badge in an LDO box rather than a '65'?

I would say that a Ldo box should have a Ldo badge.

My thoughts, they don't belong together. I also don't like the Ldo stamp in the box. I believe that there should be more space between the "d" and the "o". Is the "o" also a little bit higher then the "ld", or am I getting bad eyes? Do you have more pictures of the box and the Ldo stamp.

But these are just my thought and cases aren't really my field, but Marcus can probably tell you everything you want to know.

Cheers, Thomas

[MH184]

Forget my spacing theory Thomas on this one, it works yes, but if you look at the O it takes on a more oblate less defined guise than the normal O in Ldo.

This theory of the spacing is only consitant with specifically older forms of fakes, I can think of three fake packets which this dosen't apply too. But if you look closely at the Ldo logo you'll see what I mean though.


I think the above case looks like this type of fake, you'll have to copy it and enlarge it to see it better (see small pic below)

Yes they do do it in all burgundy as well. Case's like the above with burgundy inner lids and gold logo's do exist, but the Ldo logo lettering is of the correct format. I'm unaware of any purported genuine case that differs.

Unmarked, Lieferant or Ldo marked awards can come in Ldo packageing, not everything was marked and certainly more so in latter stages of the war. Certainly not everything was marked with an Ldo number that was sold in the retail market or even intended for.

Gold or silver wound badges come in white flocked cases as a convention in my opinion, it has only been raised in recent times and has become personally I think a forum debate to the contary. Groupings and Vet finds lead me to think: issue and retail wise the burgundy base cases were used for gold and silver.

We can see an evolution is these burgundy cases form the early Ldo logo (a good method of be able to define the period of the case) and attributes onwards, not all these case's of course came with an Ldo logo.......many are unmarked. So here we have another issue and retail made case, not like the Ldo KVK and EK forms.

Not only that there is also a form of Ldo case (normally a shell for numerous awards......a generic shell) with a white base and a black base we've seen for WB's to, this case is black.

Only my thoughts, it's still an open ended debate though to exactly what was what.

[MH184]

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[tgn]

For what it is worth, I like this LDO case. I have one like it. I consider this to be an "earlier" version of the "late" generic burgundy LDO case. I have seen both gold and silver wound badges come in these cases. My first late 65 marked gold wash pot-metal wound badge came in the "late" burgundy case. I have a nice silver wound badge that came in the "earlier" burgundy case.

As for earlier issue wound badges, I think the gold should come in a white bottom case, and the silver in a black bottom one. Just my opinion, though...
Tom

[MH184]

Later cases seem to have a trend of black bases rather than earlier for WB's I'd say, catch and no catch......these follow in the EK shadows.



As for the gold Ldo logo being earlier again, when in EK cases it's often the case to be latter but not late as such as the materials I wouldn't suggest fit in with a theory of evolution in them , this coincides with the material or hinge too. Mid war if you like in the scheme of things maybe.

Of the earlier forms of these cases, outer covering, base material, hinges etc they conform more to latter than earlier in my opinion. What ever they maybe, mid this or that, perhaps just not earlier.....they're going to '42 onwards in any case.

You do get the odd mix match of earlier 'shell' and the more latter (undefined period but not deemed earlier) fuzzy, longer haired bases then the 'spray' felt type too. The last resort is even the cardboard base thats flat no mm or numbers at all and it's just folded and placed in the case.

On the general awards forum, I think we've a fake one of these with wooden supports under the base....I'd look to look into that type more.

If you take the outside lid marked version of the Ldo case as a guide to say the incipient type and roughly follow the construction which again relates to Luft versions and their badges also you can guesstimate a period, roughly though.

Considerations for the maker of the case must be born to mind, KB distributed bases I'd say to date more so than perhaps made cases per se, were as D&B is a maker of cases and their parts.



Tom, what style of Ldo logo do you have in the gold ?

[Porsche]

Thanks for your comments guys, though I'm a bit confused whether it's a thumbs up or a 'feed to the dogs'
I'll post some more photo's of the box when I can. when I do, I'll also post some pic's of the badge on the awards forum.

Cheers,

Neil

[Porsche]

A closer view of the LDO logo..............

[Porsche]

and another view of the outside of the (57 x 70 x 20mm) Case.....................

[nellyp51]

Have you tried testing it under bake light?

[Porsche]

While I do have reservations on the Black light test, this case does not glow.

[MH184]

BL, I'm not an over advocate of this and really half the time it's misused as in the regard of what to actually look for.

I wouldn't expect in all honesty this case to glow and even if it was bare cardbord it wouldn't glow as such, you may as on alot of modeern cardboards get a 'frosty' looking effect.

As intimated and I didn't make myself clear, I personally think this case is fake yes. I think it's one of the types I've shown in the small scale pic.


For arguments sake look at the O, it's just wrong as is the other letters, even the oblate rugby ball shape that surrounds it and the way it touches the rectangular frame......all wrong for me, I'm not happy with it, but then others maybe.



From what I can see of the base, this 'fuzz' is not correct in my mind, even from the initial pic it rings bells and makes you look twice. The thickness of the card the lot really......it just dosen't do it for me, as provincial as it all sounds.


Kr

Marcus

[MH184]

Speak of the devil, here you go this is a gold logo I deem genuine, this is a single hinge KB 629 based case.


http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=105652


Tom can we see yours again, better check that one over again, if it's like Neil's I'd fear the worst, if it's like the one in the link then it bodes well.

In my opinon, each to their own.

[Porsche]

Marcus,
thanks for your comments -The search continues................................