medal box help needed

[andya]

Hi
To me this box looks like a mothers cross case without the markings.It came to me containing an SS 4 year medal. Can anyone help to identify the case and confirm if the medal and case belong together or not
thanks
andy

[andya]

catch

catch

[andya]

open

open

[andya]

with medal

with medal

[MH184]

Are these your pic's Andy ?

What I wonder is why the lid outer covering is placed 'over' like this, not normal to see that !!! I've tried to quickly define the observation via these yellow dot's.

Is it as blue as it looks also from the pic's ?

[andya]

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Hi Marcus
Yes they are my pics. Not as blue in real life. Here is another against a standard mothers cross case. Looking very closely, it is not quite as deep as a mothers cross case although there is not much in it. Yes it looks like a repair or replacement of the top layer??
regards
andy

[andya]

hinge

hinge

[MH184]

I've more to say, but I'm in the middle of a thunder storm and the lights are flickering.......but in a nut shell, no I don't believe to be genuine to the award certainly, I'll explain in a mo.

[MH184]

How about the blue under the 'covering' is that near on the same perhaps ?


Note the additional covering is a different pattern, but it looks to be a genuine pattern actually !!

[andya]

It is very tightly stuck down and when i try to lift a piece it only looks like a light grey underneath?
andy

[andya]

another pic

here is another pic of the bottom showing wear and the grey colour to which I refer.
andy

[MH184]

Lights have stopped flickering, lets try.

The SS 4 Yr comes in a 'cardboard' box in the nature of the hard case (outer covering, base inner and SS runes)......rather like in the Police Long Service set and Faithful Service set too. The lowest came in cardboard form in a lesser emulation of the higher.

The MK case shell of the case is that of the Flower Wars medals, 40/50 Yr Faithful Service, Police etc etc Some dimensions vary just (makers, earlier, latter boxes a mulititude of things to attribute a degree of accpetable variance but classed under the same umbrella so to speak), but the format is basically the same.

The slightly larger blue case I would imagine is an intended MK case, esp with that white base and outer covering, it narrows it down just a bit to just about to that award alone !!

The SS 4 Yr base colour would be grey, the 8 Yr a burgundy base and in a hard shell case, like that of the MK, Flower Wars, police etc. It's true to say also if I recall the 12 and 25 Yr SS came in a case like the larger ribboned police 25 Yr wider case shell.

So we can see a pattern of case shell use. The inners are the same style and use of colours in bases greys, burgundy, white, white lid liners; again we can see use of materials/colours and see a bigger picture.

It may be possible to find an 8 Yr with a grey inner and combinations perhaps (?) and so on but this assimiltion of 4 Yr in a blueish (not black and no runes) case with a strip across the top dosen't bode well in my opinion.

Other reason's to account for this 'pair' far and wide and as many.....I've no idea, but in the literal sense they don't go together.

I've not looked into SS cases really yet, so thats all I can think of.

[MH184]

I failed to mention again though that the additional outer covering does look to be a period pattern, when and why it was put on, I've no idea but only to hide the MK motif perhaps.......so logic would suggest another award/item in the case.

[MH184]

Some other feedback:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=168604




An odd one Andy, see how the white border in the bottom half of the box protrudes above the lines of the sides too. But, it's not unusual to find larger types and variations just in these forms. I do not suspect the case as fake as such.

A shame we can't 'X - ray' the case to observe the fascimile of the award. Or even tell the colour of it, as I believe silver motifs are very rare compared to gold !!

[andya]

Many thanks for all your help
regards
andy