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    #31
    Hi Welsh RS

    Originally posted by Железный View Post
    Prototypes?
    Not the low 4, but at first glance I thought low 4. That being said, I like to think these may indeed be prototype shields.....unless we start to suddenly see a lot of these begin to appear.

    Interesting.

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      #32
      Is it only me that can see that the left shield are more sharper detailed than the shield to the right.
      The right shield are more soft in details.

      If we talked about prototypes, are we then talking about the first shields ever made before first production?
      Shouldn´t there be better details in the sheild then?

      This is an interesting thread



      Andy
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        #33
        Here is one of my Narvik shield that is the same as the left shield to compare with.



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          #34
          Indeed very interesting thread.
          I agree with the sharpness but that could also be the pictures. I use to scan my shields which is much sharper as pictures.

          That is why it would be very interesting to study one of these shields personally in hand.

          I do not think these are prototypes. I think more in the line of (as the titles says) factory samples on which no prongs are attached.

          Kr
          Pascal

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            #35
            Could they be maybe very late war production and there was no time put any prongs and backing cloth on them and instead just drill some holes instead?



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              #36
              Originally posted by Bruce Simcox View Post
              Not the low 4, but at first glance I thought low 4. That being said, I like to think these may indeed be prototype shields.....unless we start to suddenly see a lot of these begin to appear.

              Interesting.


              Hi Bruce, thanks for your opinion on the shields.. hopefully won't see any more appear or if we do very low in volume


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                #37
                Originally posted by AndyC View Post
                Is it only me that can see that the left shield are more sharper detailed than the shield to the right.

                The right shield are more soft in details.



                If we talked about prototypes, are we then talking about the first shields ever made before first production?

                Shouldn´t there be better details in the sheild then?



                This is an interesting thread







                Andy


                No Andy, not just you... I spotted the details of the edelweiss aren't as sharp when you compare the two shields. As Pascal said that could be the photos or it could be intact weaker details. I honestly couldn't say about prototypes, but it is a possibility I guess ?


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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Pascal H. View Post
                  Indeed very interesting thread.
                  I agree with the sharpness but that could also be the pictures. I use to scan my shields which is much sharper as pictures.

                  That is why it would be very interesting to study one of these shields personally in hand.

                  I do not think these are prototypes. I think more in the line of (as the titles says) factory samples on which no prongs are attached.

                  Kr
                  Pascal


                  My friend who found them and has got them now seems to believe they're factory samples. I don't know why he would assume that or reach that conclusion etc maybe the one with the backing cloth and the cupal label led him down that road ?

                  What do you mean scan them Pascal? In an actual scanner?

                  From the photos there isn't any signs of backing prongs or any remnants of them left if they were on there. So I agree no backing prongs were ever on these ones, in my opinion.


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                    #39
                    Originally posted by AndyC View Post
                    Could they be maybe very late war production and there was no time put any prongs and backing cloth on them and instead just drill some holes instead?







                    Andy


                    I think that is a possibility Andy, how are the prongs usually attached ? Are they soldered/braised etc

                    I guess having no prongs would save a lot of manufacturing time if they were looking to save time and/or produce larger amounts etc


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                      #40
                      Originally posted by AndyC View Post
                      Could they be maybe very late war production and there was no time put any prongs and backing cloth on them and instead just drill some holes instead?

                      Andy
                      I am sorry but that is not the way it worked. German badges and shields were always subject of quality control, even through until the end of the war. Late ware shields are known to be produced with tabs. This was however not the case with Narvik shields. Never were prongs omitted and replaced with holes. All type of shields are know with holes but only after prongs or tabs were broken off.

                      Kr
                      Pascal

                      Originally posted by Welsh RS View Post

                      What do you mean scan them Pascal? In an actual scanner?

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                      Yes, in an actual scanner. One of the best scanners IMO is the Epson Perfection as this scanner can really scan the debt of shields and badges.

                      Kr
                      Pascal

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Pascal H. View Post
                        I am sorry but that is not the way it worked. German badges and shields were always subject of quality control, even through until the end of the war. Late ware shields are known to be produced with tabs. This was however not the case with Narvik shields. Never were prongs omitted and replaced with holes. All type of shields are know with holes but only after prongs or tabs were broken off.

                        Kr
                        Pascal

                        Pascal, what about the one photo you posted from nimmerguts book? That one by C E Juncker seemed to have holes in the same please as the ones I posted. But we can't see the reverse of that one ?


                        Yes, in an actual scanner. One of the best scanners IMO is the Epson Perfection as this scanner can really scan the debt of shields and badges.

                        Kr
                        Pascal


                        Ok.. I take it you have that scanner ? Or something similar ?


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                          #42
                          Pascal, what about the photo you posted from nimmerguts book? The one by C E Juncker seemed to show holes in the same places as the ones I posted. Is there a photo of the reverse of that same shield ? I am just curious..


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                            #43
                            Originally posted by Welsh RS View Post
                            Pascal, what about the photo you posted from nimmerguts book? The one by C E Juncker seemed to show holes in the same places as the ones I posted. Is there a photo of the reverse of that same shield ? I am just curious..


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                            No there isn't.

                            Kr
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                              #44
                              Originally posted by Pascal H. View Post
                              No there isn't.

                              Kr
                              Pascal


                              Ahh ok that's fine my mistake, so these are the only ones that you have seen pascal with the holes in ?


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                                #45
                                The one on the cloth backing with the label “Nr. 3 Cupal” is interesting. To my novice eyes, that seems to suggest a sample - which may be where the idea of factory samples came from? Can anyone explain this configuration?

                                Great thread.

                                Michael

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