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    #1

    Cholm Shield.

    Hi Gents!
    I would like Yours appreciate opinions over these shield!
    Many thanks for Yours time and Knowledge!
    Have only these 2 pictures!
    My Best!
    Gian.


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    #2
    Better photos would be needed...

    Regards,
    Chris G.

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      #3
      Back plate , prongs, paper , cloth - fake .
      Shield's body - may be original, but need in detailed photos .

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        #4
        Hi Gian, as the guys I'd like me too to see some better pictures.

        My books:

        - THE WEHRPAß & SOLDBUCH OF THE WH
        - THE SS TK RING
        - THE ITALIAN-GERMAN MEDAL
        - THE ANTI PARTISAN BADGE
        - THE AWARDS OF THE LW

        and more!

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          #5
          Hi Antonio!
          As I write above I have only these 2 pics!
          But.....As said Pitomnik.....Back plate , prongs, paper , cloth are fake .
          For me these is enought!
          Thanks to all!
          Have a nice day!
          Gian.

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            #6
            I would be not so sure that back plate, cloth and prongs are fakes.

            My books:

            - THE WEHRPAß & SOLDBUCH OF THE WH
            - THE SS TK RING
            - THE ITALIAN-GERMAN MEDAL
            - THE ANTI PARTISAN BADGE
            - THE AWARDS OF THE LW

            and more!

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              #7
              Originally posted by Antonio Scapini View Post
              I would be not so sure that back plate, cloth and prongs are fakes.
              Hi Antonio !
              Show me similar back plate, prongs and paper on 100% original "classic short M" Cholm !

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                #8
                Paper is a post addition for me too, but I remember (if I'm not mistaken) a Cholm with a back plate in shape of a shield. Maybe it was a short M zinc shield...

                My books:

                - THE WEHRPAß & SOLDBUCH OF THE WH
                - THE SS TK RING
                - THE ITALIAN-GERMAN MEDAL
                - THE ANTI PARTISAN BADGE
                - THE AWARDS OF THE LW

                and more!

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                  #9
                  I like the details on the shield from my seat but I would like to see better photo's as my seat is high...that why I asked.

                  Nothing wrong with the back plate as there are plenty of shields with this style...this style is less common.

                  Regards,
                  Chris G.

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                    #10
                    Specially for Antonio & Christopher !
                    This 3 type original Cholm shield !
                    Show me PLEASE - similar "plenty of shields " !)))
                    Last edited by Pitomnik; 09-19-2014, 01:02 AM.

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                      #11
                      Roman, I remember correctly that back plate in shape of shield were used on zinc Cholm.
                      What I'm saying is that we know (and we have) a lot of proofs that shows different prongs (from round to flat, from large to thin, from long to short) used on shields. See the Kuban for example, you can find even some shields with 2 different types of prongs used in one time!

                      This is the reason why I would not be so fast in declaring fake something we can't see. Maybe you are correct, maybe not, everithing is possible.
                      IMO this shield has chances to be a good one, with good back plate and prongs, BUT it is also possible is is a completely fake or a partially fake shield.

                      Just my two cents.

                      My books:

                      - THE WEHRPAß & SOLDBUCH OF THE WH
                      - THE SS TK RING
                      - THE ITALIAN-GERMAN MEDAL
                      - THE ANTI PARTISAN BADGE
                      - THE AWARDS OF THE LW

                      and more!

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                        #12
                        Antonio !
                        I never saw on ORIGINAL Cholm (short M, long M, zinc) - others prongs and back plate. All had the standard type established by the manufacturer.
                        Others - only in case of repair.
                        Krim and Kuban is other history, and to compare not correctly.
                        Certainly this mine personally the opinion based on research about fifty original "Cholm" which I had!

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                          #13
                          The original awarded Cholm did actually exist with a back plate in the shape of the shield. This is IMO however a repair and I do agree that this type of backplate is unknown to be supplied together with the shield by the manufacturer.

                          I' ll attach a shield with such a backplate which I had one point in my collection.

                          I think however that we should focus on the front of the shield itself and as mentioned before we definitely need better pictures as even from these pics my gut feeling says "not good"

                          Kr
                          Pascal
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Pascal H. View Post
                            The original awarded Cholm did actually exist with a back plate in the shape of the shield. This is IMO however a repair and I do agree that this type of backplate is unknown to be supplied together with the shield by the manufacturer.

                            I' ll attach a shield with such a backplate which I had one point in my collection.

                            I think however that we should focus on the front of the shield itself and as mentioned before we definitely need better pictures as even from these pics my gut feeling says "not good"

                            Kr
                            Pascal
                            Pascal

                            this "hand made" and not factory backplatte..

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by kraut72 View Post
                              Pascal

                              this "hand made" and not factory backplatte..
                              Agree ! And prong "hand made" - too !
                              War time, or post war repair - to prove not probably.

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