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    Cholm shield-treatment for rust ?

    Should I attempt any sort of treatment to prevent further rust on this veteran bring-back Cholm shield?

    I am usually inclined to leave veteran bring-back pieces in the condition I find them, but I don't want to needlessly ignore more damage to the piece.

    Any advice?
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    Don Bible
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    this difficult,just maybe a thin oil after the delicate removal of the rust...

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      #3
      Personally, I wouldn't touch it.

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        #4
        Hi Don......

        ......Personally, I don't have a problem with cleaning badges. I like them looking as good as can be.

        I would remove the badge from it's backing.

        Then use very low tack masking to cover the good areas(I recommend a transparent frisket used in airbrush work, available at better art supply houses).

        Then a 1000 q-tips and a can of 3 in 1 oil to start.

        The rest is up to you.

        Hope this helps.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Bruce Simcox View Post
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          I would remove the badge from it's backing.
          and that will break the pins

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            #6
            There are several ways to stop the rust Don, you can use a toothbrush to remove superficial oxid and then use the "rust Oleum" or silicon oil or wax....
            But don't remove the shield from the back cloth. If I remember correctly your shield has the back paper too, so let it as it is and work only on the interested parts making attention to not stain the cloth.

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              #7
              I agree, don't remove the back.

              regards
              Mike

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                #8
                Clean it or the rust will continue...you are saving history by cleaning it.

                Regards,
                Chris G.

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                  #9
                  Cleaning

                  Some time ago I cleaned an old rusty EK1 with warm water and toothbrush, applied vaseline, after drying thoroughly, left said application on the cross for a couple of days and removed ...so far so good
                  Kyle

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                    #10
                    ......

                    and that will break the pins
                    IMHO Not necessarily. I know because I have done it successfully on more than one occasion. Haven't had one break yet. If there is rust on the reverse hidden side and it isn't dealt with....why bother with the front?

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                      #11
                      The rust will not spread it the shield is stored in a low humidity environment. Rust is not some biological cancer, it is a chemical reaction that requires humidity. Store it well and it will not deteriorate further. Also keep in mind that rust is not on the metal- it is the metal. You could remove the rust but it may or may not improve the appearance anyway.

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                        Originally posted by Bruce Simcox View Post
                        IMHO Not necessarily. I know because I have done it successfully on more than one occasion. Haven't had one break yet. If there is rust on the reverse hidden side and it isn't dealt with....why bother with the front?

                        Was any of them the same as this Cholm?

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                          #13
                          Thanks to everyone for the wide variety of opinions as to how to deal with the rust on my Cholm shield. Actually I have two of the shields brought back by the same veteran. The other one is a Demjansk shield that has token rust but not nearly as bad as that on the Cholm shield.

                          A third shield, a Kuban was bought by another person. I could not afford to buy all the pieces I wanted from the large number of medals, shields, and badges brought home by this local veteran, who I had known all my life.

                          All of the pieces were piled together in a wooden box in which he sent them home. The box had not been stored in a dry environment and had obviously drawn moisture from time to time over the years.

                          The suggestion posted here by Chris Pittman most closely coincides with my own thinking. His statement that storing in a low humidity environment makes my decision a lot easier, as that was my own thinking but I wanted other opinions. I will now take special care to store the shields in a low moisture environment and check on them periodically.

                          I simply cannot bring myself to remove the backing or in any other way alter the Cholm shield. Even a chance of breaking one or more of the pins or staining the cloth backing is more than I want to do.

                          These items including a beautiful German Army paratrooper badge which I got from the grouping all have a very special meaning to me. I knew the entire family of this veteran including his parents. I attended elementary school with his younger brother and sister during WW II while he was in Germany.

                          Thanks again for all the posts, instructions and advice. This is a wonderful forum!!
                          Don Bible

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                            #14
                            Good luck with it and take Chris's advice. That's much too nice and scarce of an item to risk compromising its integrity, especially if the end result with leave you with nothing better than what you started out with. It's a fine original and shows its age (and mileage), as it should. Respect its integrity, and with proper storage, no additional harm should come to it. Nice piece!

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