KrimShield

[Tim B.]

Hi Tim,

Not at all. This is what the forum is all about, sharing information.

Kr
Pascal

Not if you look at some of these "authors" that don't participate in the actual forum discussions. They like to lurk and glean information freely but, in many cases, rarely participate or share anything...unless you want to buy their books/magazines. This lack of participation has only ruined the actual discussion aspects of the forums IMO and shows what these people are really all about...$$$$

I just don't get these guys and...don't buy their stuff either!

Thanks and Ill post those PIC's I have had for awhile.

Tim

[Tim B.]

Two PIC's here. The first is the Mannstein uniform with the golden Krim. The second is just an enlargement of the Krim taken from the first PIC.

I'm not a uniform expert and have not personally seen or handled this uniform but understand it looked legit to those that had.

You can compare the shield with the one that started this thread and if you look at the details I called out to Jan earlier for comparison, see its the same style/pattern of Krim.

Tim

[Tim B.]

There's a great pic of Mannstein's Krimshield down on the e-stand right now. Would be worth asking the seller for a better pic.

Peter,

I couldn't find anything in the Awards or Uniform sections of the Estand.

Is there a link?

Tim

[Filip]

Two PIC's here. The first is the Mannstein uniform with the golden Krim. The second is just an enlargement of the Krim taken from the first PIC.

I'm not a uniform expert and have not personally seen or handled this uniform but understand it looked legit to those that had.

You can compare the shield with the one that started this thread and if you look at the details I called out to Jan earlier for comparison, see its the same style/pattern of Krim.

Tim

Tim , to the best of my knowledge, Manstein's gold Krimschild was a one off jeweler job. Same goes for Antonescue's Krim which is quiet different and looks somewhat like a "Maedicke " shield. In my view, this resembalance does not authenticate either type. We have to find other evidence to prove the shield on top of the thread is a real deal, which I doubt it is.

[Tim B.]

Tim , to the best of my knowledge, Manstein's gold Krimschild was a one off jeweler job. Same goes for Antonescue's Krim which is quiet different and looks somewhat like a "Maedicke " shield. In my view, this resembalance does not authenticate either type. We have to find other evidence to prove the shield on top of the thread is a real deal, which I doubt it is.


Filip,

I know you have never liked this version and several years ago I felt the same way, but I've seen too many coming from different sources in various conditons of wear to continue to support that line of thought.

I also know you are only basing your beliefs on the lone issue of never seeing one of these in a Russian collector's group. That alone, is not enough evidence to say the shield is, or is not. As I stated before, no one individual sees it all. If the uniform pictured above is original, then it is more authentication than what you have saying the shield is not real. Just my opinions but, I try to remain objective here.

The Mannstein uniform shown, if original, has the same identical style Krim shield. There is no doubt here, look at the details. I'll include a PIC pointing to some areas that are identical and I could go on and point out even more between these. The second PIC shows the two side by side for ease of review.

Understanding these are taken at slightly different angles and lighting, so shadows will play into the comparisons but, note the coutours, the flare of the "4"'s, etc. There are no other shields that share the same amount of traits in all these areas, there just isn't.

Now, you claim Mannstein's shield was jeweler made. I'm not sure what you're trying to claim here. Are you saying that some guy carved out a Krim shield, by hand, in gold? That makes absolutely no sense.

What makes sense to me, if they really produced one (or a limited amount) of these out of gold, then they would have used a flat gold sheet and stamped these out of one of the approved dies already in existence. It just isn't time efficient to make any "by hand". IMO, the die used on the example we see shown on the Mannstein uniform is from the same die as the one in question that started this post and, completely original wartime produced.

kr,
Tim