Five Krim Shields For Review

[RonR]

These five Krim Shields in various conditions were acquired from various sources through the years and put aside.

Here they are for your review

Number one


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Number two



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Number three........



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Number four.............



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Number five..........



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[hlynur76]

They all looks good to me.

I think the first 3 are Deumer and last one I think is a unknown maker

[pantherv]

Hi Ron.....1-2 and 4 are 1st and 2nd type Deumers. No 3 is unknown but I believe possibly an Orth variant. The last shield is the rare Maedicke Krim.

Nice set...thanks for showing

[Tim B.]

Hi Ron,

I agree pretty much with Peter here; 1, 2, and 4 are all Deumer shields. The slight differences are probably due to differences in the production dies and that might be why some heads are very distinct, while others are not. All have a small distinctive die flaw which leads me to believe they must have come from one master die.

Number 5 is a Maedicke shield and should have the "M" in a diamond mark on the reverse, though the condition of the shield is probably going to make seeing it very hard.

Number 3 is unknown as far as I know. I understand some feel this might be a Orth variant and others feel this type is fake altogether. I personally feel it's an original shield but, personally do not see any Orth connection as there are just too many details that do not match between the two.

Tim

[Stöckel]

Hello,

Nr1 Deumer Zink

Nr2 Deumer Zink

Nr3 Orth Zink

Nr4 Deumer Zink

Nr5 Maedicke Metall

Regards Jan

[RonR]

Many thanks to each for their time and input to educate me.

Best regards,

[Tim B.]

Hello,

Nr1 Deumer Zink

Nr2 Deumer Zink

Nr3 Orth Zink

Nr4 Deumer Zink

Nr5 Maedicke Metall

Regards Jan

Hi Jan,

I personally do not see the Orth connection on this type; can you explain or show why some think this is an Orth product? Is there now new evidence in support of this claim?

Thanks,
Tim

Thought I would add to this a bit here but, would like to have a separate thread discussing this Orth connection, if there really is one. Again, personally I don't see it. I tried to have this discussion a year ago over at GMIC, but we're here, so let's discuss the issue at WAF.

Below, a typical Orth shield on the left compared to the zinc (unknown maker) shield on right:
Too many differences in details IMO.

[Tiff97]

Hi Tim
personally I think this type of copy-on shield F.Orth
Of course I know that many consider him the original
but my opinion - is a copy
Of course we can argue long, but 100% proof
As far as I know, no one of the parties
Kr Andrei

[Tim B.]

Hi Andrei,

Yes, I know you always considered this style a copy and yes, we will continue to disagree there. That's okay my friend, we don't always have to agree on everything to be fellow collectors here! Thanks for responding and sharing views on this one.

Anyone else?

Tim