Opinions ? Narvik Shield W backing

[LH 600]

Hi Peter.
Yes i have seen that DN shield.

Oh man.....now i must sit up near all night to zoom up all orginal shields i can find and compare

I have spotten many differences at some forum include here on waf.

If you count the anchors wire twist, you will see something Some have 14-to 15 twist ....other have more. Study the eagles breast too. Some minor variations here.

Back to the michroscope again......

[Jos L C]

The original of this type in post # 13 shows much more detail and is different, while the shield in question looks like Detlev's fake, so I vote fake.

Jos.

[LH 600]

Not saying your shield is a copy but IMO the same type that DN shows and the same shield Tim shows in post #9.

Look at the foot of the '1' in the date numeral....the same lean on the right as you look at it.

Maybe wait for other opinions.

If that Narvik shield is a fake i bealive collectors of such type of shield must get the "nose" up and not buying them.

Since there is so many variations around of them ? Who can say all is 100%

I dont really collect medals and shields but i like them.



This Narvik shield was found in Norway 5 years ago . If that shield is not common and only a few around in that great quality , WHY didnt` the fakers made more of them ? Money talks you know

If i was a faker , i had prodused 1000 of them and sell very fast. Not only a few since i have the mold ? have you thinking of that theori ?

[LH 600]

The original of this type in post # 13 shows much more detail and is different, while the shield in question looks like Detlev's fake, so I vote fake.

Jos.

Yes Jos Le conte.
You vote fake !

Can you explain why ? Is Dietlev Niemann the "Holy Bible" ??

If you study more shields you find many variations.
Do you have a Narvik Shield ?

If so , please post a picture here in this tread for compare.

[Jos L C]

If you go through all shields you'll notice how many quality fakes there're and all are "found" or from vets etc..

Maybe they made a 1000 of these, who knows, it's a big world with only a few people interested in these on WAF, there's a lot going on outside this forum where many fakes are finding their way.

Jos.

[Jos L C]

Yes Jos Le conte.
You vote fake !

Can you explain why ? Is Dietlev Niemann the "Holy Bible" ??

If you study more shields you find many variations.
Do you have a Narvik Shield ?

If so , please post a picture here in this tread for compare.

Well, he's more holy bible than we are, because he knows a little about this stuff..

There're different makers yes and many are known, also many fakes are known.

You can't compare a Narvik shield to any Narvik shield, but most of the time a original is used to make the fake and they don't always match, but are very close.

I've a Juncker shield, but it doesn't make sense to compare with this one.

Jos.

[LH 600]

Here is the same pics again with some arrows.
Please have a look.

Study the bottom of the Eagle

Thay are not the same.

Orginal left ( if orginal) My senter And DN right.

[Tim B.]

LH600,

First, I don't think anybody has really committed to calling the shield you posted as FAKE; just yet anyway. The similarities however are very close, and as I stated, you need to be cautious as there are high quality fakes of this type.

What bothers me is your attitude. Here we are, taking time to show and explain to you nicely what we are seeing and pointing out similarities and differences. All you want to hear is the positive and your argumentative attitude is not going to get you far with future assistance.

IF you believe the shield to be original, then buy it and love it. But, don't blame us if down the road if you find out different or go to sell it and the next thread questions the authenticity of your shield and you can't get rid of it. We are trying to help and be constructive here but, we are not here to tell you just what you want to hear. Think about it.
Tim

[Tim B.]

All,

It took me a bit to find it, but here is one of the two or three original threads on mine (the one I returned). Added here for additional information regarding what I had in hand and more on the details that Detlev called out on the copy.

http://70.87.163.50/forums/showthrea...k+shield+fakes

[Bruce Simcox]

Hi Guys......

......I don't like it for all the reasons outlined above. The first thing that brought up a red flag for me was the uneven arms. We do know that cupal has been used in FAKE badges.....so it wouldn't be a stretch for shields. Not for me, this one. Tim zeroed in on it, and for good reason.

[LH 600]

LH600,

First, I don't think anybody has really committed to calling the shield you posted as FAKE; just yet anyway. The similarities however are very close, and as I stated, you need to be cautious as there are high quality fakes of this type.

What bothers me is your attitude. Here we are, taking time to show and explain to you nicely what we are seeing and pointing out similarities and differences. All you want to hear is the positive and your argumentative attitude is not going to get you far with future assistance.

IF you believe the shield to be original, then buy it and love it. But, don't blame us if down the road if you find out different or go to sell it and the next thread questions the authenticity of your shield and you can't get rid of it. We are trying to help and be constructive here but, we are not here to tell you just what you want to hear. Think about it.
Tim

Hi Tim

I read your post about your shield just now. Very good tread.

I cant live with an shield with the judge down on Waf. This shield was found around 5 years ago. Been in a collectuon of a advanced collector.

I will return the shield back to him later today.

Sorry for beeing so snappy in my comments.

Have a nice day

Regards LH

[LH 600]

Hello again

I send a E mail to Dietlev Niemann and he was willing to buy the Narvik shiled for 280 Euros direkt ??

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Thanks, I would pay 280 euros
regards
dn



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Von: xxxxxxxxxx MY EMAIL
Gesendet: 26 February, 2010 9:09 AM
An: info@detlev-niemann.de
Betreff: Narvik shield for sales
Wichtigkeit: Hoch


Hi

Im from Norway

I have a Narvik shield for sales.

I have add some pics. I bealive this is a orginal. Always been in Norway.

Please see the pics if interest.

If the shield is orginal please give me a note.

[Pascal H.]

A very interesting thread about a shield what always has been controversial to most of us.

I presume I'm right when I say that this controversy was started by the "Fake of Week" picture as posted by Detlev many years ago.
What now if Detlev was wrong? The guy is only human and although he has a great knowledge of German Awards he too can make a mistake. I know he did in the past and to his credit he was always the first to admit.

I will post a shield which was sold a couple of years ago but AFTER the "Fake of the week" picture by Detlev.

Until today I am still not convinced that the shield in "Fake of the week" was indeed a copy. It is my opinion that the shield as sold by Detlev as well as the shield by LH600 are original.

KR
Pascal

[LH 600]

Many thanks Pascal for great input.

I get a new message by e mail from Dietlev Niemann now today.



If the shield was a fake.....he will not even think of buying it ?

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Sorry, I can't judge from fotos
dn




Von: MY MAIL
Gesendet: 26 February, 2010 9:48 AM
An: Detlev Niemann
Betreff: Re: Narvik shield for sales


Hi Dn

Many thanks for so fast reply

Is the shield orginal ww 2 ?

The quality is great with nice patina. ?

All the best xxxxxxxx

[LH 600]

Here is some new pics.

Pascal : i hope this pic helps more.

LH