Demjansk Shields opinions

[Andy B.]

Hi Guys,
I hate to ask, but could ya'll let me know what you thing of these two shields. I have tried studying them, but there seems to be alot of variety and I am just not that good at picking out the bad ones. I really appreciate the help!!
First up...

[Andy B.]

and the reverse.

[Andy B.]

and the second one....I think this might be the serif "J" version, I just want to double check as the photo is not that great.

[Andy B.]

and the reverse....
Many thanks in advance for any and all opinions.
Andy B.

[Andy B.]

[pantherv]

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Hi.....I don't like the first one. The second one I take is Zinc with the moving prop and 'serif' J. The general opinion is that this one's a copy also?

Hope that helps...........Peter

[Joe D]

I like the first one (JFS), not so sure about the cloth and backing paper. The second one does not do anything for me.

[wschmidt]

The second is fake for me...

[Andy B.]

Thanks guys. I appreciate the input!!
Andy B.