Marine commemorative Flying Badge - 2/3 size reduction

[Borzadow]

Today I've received my new imperial bird:
Marine Flieger Erinnerungsabzeichen in 2/3 size reduction


Firstly I was thinking it was S&L (judging by the catch and pin on blured sellers pics)

but

when I take it today in hand I was a little bit confused by the hingeblock .....
It reminds me Souval, but it's not identical... That type was used also on early products of Deumer and Assmann.

Also the bloated soldering visible under the catch leads to Assmann (it's typical on some of his products).
What is your thoughts?

[Borzadow]

hingeblock



catch and the bloated soldering

[Nigel N]

Hi Patryk!!
First, let me say, that's a great looking badge, and a scarce piece, haven't seen one exactly like that before!!!
Really nice!!!!!!!!!
As to maker..............
Well, I don't know!! If its a Souval, Alex will be able to tell you i'm sure!!!
The hinge and pin look like Deumer, but that doesn't really tie in with the thick catch???
Have you checked the design against known examples from other makers???
-Nigel

[Alex W.]

Hi Patryk,

nice to see an imperial reduction variant. A beautiful badge.
As for the manufacturer - This badge has nothing to do with Souval.
S&L produced these among the large variety of other imperial replacement awards.
You won't believe the different S&L made imperial replacements I was able add lately. Bavarian Military merit cross, Hohenzollern Knight's cross, variants of the Silesian Eagle,.. S&L really covered most if not all of the imperial/Weimar period, while Souval was far more focusing on the 3rd Reich postwar replacements.

Judging by the hardware, this particular piece is a late produced badge. From what I can tell, the badge is casted along with it's hinge block. The details on die stamped badges is more crisp. I have imperial Bavarian aviation badges made by S&L in the late 70's using the exact same construction method.
I also have an early made S&L reduction of an imperial naval badge that I could show you in order to compare it. It has the typical thin pin hardware and is die stamped.
In any way, despite of being a later example I really like your badge- a good catch !

Best regards,
Alex

[Nigel N]

Hi Alex!
Thanks for your thoughts on this piece!!
The thick catch certainly points to a later S&L (or even Assmann) piece, the pin looks like the 2nd type S&L pin very similar to a Deumer type too) but the hinge I don't recognise as an S&L type, especially not from the late period??
Have you seen this hinge type before on late S&L pieces, I would have expected to see a standard open hinge-block??
-Nigel

[Alex W.]

Hi Nigel,

you are right to think that one would expect the standard later open hinge block that was used in 57er production. I don't know why this type of hinge can been found especially on imperial badges. Maybe it was even cheaper to do it this way. I have seen this hinge type on various late S&L imperial badges - who knows what Mr. Preuß was thinking, I heard he was a penny-pincher

Here are two imperial badges. The first is the reduction I mentioned earlier. It's an early variant made of zinc using the thin pin hardware.
The second one is a late badge using the same hinge system as seen earlier on Patryk's badge.

Best regards,
Alex

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[Nigel N]

Thanks for that Alex....very interesting!!!!!!!!!!
-Nigel

[Borzadow]

Thank you both guys !!!

Wow Alex, those are really beautiful and rare badges !!! And the land marine badge...

You're right - this is the same hinge !!! Very interesting !!! So we have learned something new today
Thanks for posting them !!!