interesting wound badge in silver

[pattex]

Hello,
I got an interesting wound badge in silver .

What do you think - who made it?

best regards
Pattex

PS: I don't think, that this is a Deumer .

[Nigel N]

Hi Pattex!
To me it looks like 100% Deumer??
The hardware looks to be Deumer, and the obverse seems to have all the features of a Deumer wound badge..........
Helmet flat on top, and slightly concave at the bottom, with typical dot pattern!
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What is it that makes you think Deumer is not the maker???
-Nigel

[Mustangstje]

Looks Deumer to me as well. Here's another variant I've had for some time, "BWB" silvered.

[Nigel N]

Hi Nick!!
Great variant.....I love to see unusual pieces like this!!!!!!!!!
-Nigel

[pattex]

Hello,
perhaps you are right and it is really a Deumer.

The front is identical.

But there are 3 differences to the "usual" Deumer.

- The die flaw on top of the badge
- The badge is thinner (2,5mm max)
- The badge is lighter (18,5g)

The strange things from my perspective are:

- They seem to be rare (in only know 2 other examples)
- I only know them in context to very early souval groupings without swastika .

Does anybody have also such a wound badge with this die flaw in his collection?

best regards
Pattex

[Nigel N]

Hi Pattex!
By... "die flaw" do you mean the group of lines running across the top of the badge? If so, then no, I haven't seen this before on a WB, do you think it is actually a die flaw, it looks more like damage to the badge, maybe at some time during the manufacturing process?? Or possibly after, as it is unusual to see Deumer selling anything that was less than perfect!!
I'm not sure on the weight and thickness, as I haven't really studied that much, maybe others who own similar badges can give the dimensions and weight of theirs!!
-Nigel

[pattex]

Hi Pattex!
By... "die flaw" do you mean the group of lines running across the top of the badge? If so, then no, I haven't seen this before on a WB, do you think it is actually a die flaw, it looks more like damage to the badge, maybe at some time during the manufacturing process?? Or possibly after, as it is unusual to see Deumer selling anything that was less than perfect!!
I'm not sure on the weight and thickness, as I haven't really studied that much, maybe others who own similar badges can give the dimensions and weight of theirs!!
-Nigel

Hi Nigel,
it is a die flaw, "Karsten S" had an identical piece in his collection with the same die flaw .

You could find pictures in the GCA with the searchwords "a small austrian group".

best reagrds
Pattex

[Mustangstje]

You could well be right Pattex. Originally from the Deumer die but finished by Souval.

Does it look like the hardware was removed and a new one was added, similar to Kartsen's piece?

Regards,
Nick

[Nigel N]

I remember Karsten's badge, at the time opinion was divided I think??
The Souval WB that I am familiar with has a different obverse design to yours and Karstens.....was it proved that Souval obtained dies or badges from Deumer?? If they did, and they all have the die flaw, maybe Deumer sold them on, as they considered them to be less than perfect???
Theres no doubt that the Obverse die is Deumers, so that must have been the original starting point!!
Interesting discussion!!!
-Nigel

[pattex]

Detail pictures:

[Nigel N]

Its often difficult to see whats going on under hinges and catches, as the blob of solder often hides things....but I have seen at least one Deumer SWB (it may have been Rudigers?) that had a mounting plate beneath the hinge!
Nigel

[grueni1208]

Here is my version to compare.

[grueni1208]

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[pattex]

Thank you very much Daniel!

All the 3 known examples have an additional common feature - from my perspective perhaps a cast mark?

But all 3 doesn't look like fakes .

So what is the conclusion - perhaps an unsuccessful production test for casted wound badges?



best regards
Pattex