Unkown hardware on KM badge ....

[Matthieu]

Hi chaps,

This just sold for 88 Euro on eBay - too rich for my blood though.
Does anyone have any ideas on the hardware ?? Not your typical St&L / Deumer set-up.

By the way, this chaps sold quite a few of KM badges, I managed to get hold of three badges at very fair prices.

Mathijs

[Nigel N]

Hi Mathijs!
Deumer I think??
Looks to be a Deumer hinge, but wider than normally used on these badges??? also with plate under hinge, pin also seems extra thick??? and a very early round wire catch and plate as used on Deumer's earliest KVK1 , the converted wartime design!!
-Rare combo indeed!!!!!!!!!!
-Nigel

[Borzadow]

Hello guys,

I have purchased this badge.



Firstly I was thinking about Deumer too, but... what do you think about Assmann ??
For me it looks like a Deumer / Assmann hybrid.


Very early, very rare - as Nigel said - combo indeed. Worth that price imo

[Steve 5]

Gentlemen, I missed out on these badges, got to the party too late !
I forgot Europe was still one hour ahead of the U.K. !.....I was going to bid on the Auxiliary Cruiser and S-Boat badges to complete my KM set, they all went cheap !! it was not meant to be ! you chaps got great badges, congratulations on your acquisitions, fine examples !
Prost ! Steve.

[Nigel N]

Hi Patryk!
I didn't think about Assmann!!
For the Destroyer badge, S&L and Deumer used the same die, only the hardware and finish tells them apart!!
Assmann certainly used S&L parts and hardware, but I don't know if they used any Deumer stuff?
The colour of the gold/ silver finish on this badge looks more like Deumer's version I think, and while the very earliest Assmann badges used some old wartime style hardware, it wasn't like that used here.
A very early Assmann HSF for comparison.................
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I could be completely wrong, but I still feel Deumer is the likely maker??
But the combination of hardware used makes this a rare variant anyway!!!
-Nigel

[Borzadow]

thanks Nigel, now I think it's a Deumer too !!!
Assmann is much different, thanks for showing it

Steve - don't you had a feeling that Auxilary badge is a cast modern made piece?
I had such.....

[Steve 5]

Steve - don't you had a feeling that Auxilary badge is a cast modern made piece ? I had such.....

Patryk, they had all finished by the time I looked at them , so I did not spend any more time studying them, I would of if I was going to bid....so you could be right about it.
I did not keep any images, as soon as I realised my mistake I deleted the e-bay page ! so I am unable to check
Prost ! Steve.

[Borzadow]

well, to be honest I have delete it too

[Matthieu]

well, to be honest I have delete it too

No worries, here are the pix of the HSF - IMO good, but later piece.

I got the Minensucher, Flottenkrieg and Blockade Brecher badges !

Mathijs

[Borzadow]

Thanks for that pics
Looks to be very late indeed... But to be 100% sure on this I'd love to see better photos...

[Norm F]

I got the Minensucher, Flottenkrieg and Blockade Brecher badges !

Mathijs

What type of Minesweeper?

Best regards,
---Norm

[Matthieu]

What type of Minesweeper?

Best regards,
---Norm

An early narrow pin version by St&L - same for the Blockade Brecher

[Matthieu]

For Norm, snapshots of the MS which sold ...

[Matthieu]

And also the blockade breaker ...

[Matthieu]

And lastly the Flottenkrieg ....