57er Wound Badges Pin Styles S&L vs. Deumer

[Skyhawk]

Hi All,

A comment made by Nigel in Brig's 57er Wound Badge thread prompted this thread. As a relatively new 57er guy, the pin styles on the 57er Wound Badges drove me nuts as a new collector. A very similar story to what is found on the 57er badges. Here are a few of the 57er Wound Badges I have managed to gather, and I use these images as a guide in my collecting. There will be several groups of images, so I will let you know when the last has posted.

First up, a S&L SWB with 2nd style pin and a Deumer GWB. Notice how similar the two pins look! The pin length is often the key. Also, as can be seen the SWB is a hollow back, while the Deumer is solid.

The second image is an S&L SWB with 1st Style thin pin and a Deumer GWB. As can be seen, this S&L badge has a solid back and would be very early.

[Skyhawk]

Next up, an S&L GWB with an open hinge block and 3rd style pin next to a Deumer GWB. Note the hollow back on the S&L piece.

Also, a side view showing the hinge blocks.

[Skyhawk]

Next, a obverse view of the previous badges to show the coloration difference. In my opinion, the Deumer badge has superior coloration to any of the S&L GWB that I have collected. The Deumer GWB looks very good in comparison to high end TR era GWB such as minty #30.

[Skyhawk]

Last Images

Any finally, close up shots of the S&L SWB from the beginning of the thread.

I think the point of this thread is to show the 57er Wound Badges possess a lot of variety based upon grade, manufacturer, pin style, coloration, and back. I did not even touch on the black grade.

The best part is they are still relatively inexpensive!

As always a challenge to make things fun..........

Does anyone own an example of every 57er Wound Badge grade, manufacturer, pin style, and back? Please feel free to post, and let's see the best of the best in a 57er Wound Badge collection!

Best,

Jeff

[Nigel N]

Excellent compare Jeff!!
Shows how similar the Deumer and S&L tapering pins are, especially when the Deumer badge uses the slightly later (for Deumer) thin catch, instead of the earlier, round wire, question mark shaped type!! But, as shown here, with close examination, the two types can be identified, and you can tell them apart!!!
Don said in a recent thread that it was "illogical" to base the maker on the hardware, well....... for 57ers, and most postwar pieces, it works fine!!!!!!!!
-Nigel

[Brig]

Very useful comparisons!

[Matthieu]

How about this one ... Deumer, St&L or Souval

[Nigel N]

S&L all day long!!!!!!!!!!!
-Nigel

[Skyhawk]

Hi Mathijs,

Super looking GWB and I am with Nigel!
The pin looks like that found on some of the very early S&L clasps. Is it exactly the same pin? Not sure on the length, however looks like it could be close. Thanks for posting!

Best,

Jeff

[Steve 5]

Great WB's on show here Gents ! A good informative thread, let me add this rarity from my WB collection.....most definitely a St u L made piece.
Prost ! Steve.

[Skyhawk]

Hi Steve,

Nice looking GWB!

Do you think this is from the same early period as the GWB shown by Mathijs? I had thought the S&L produced hollow back (dished) Wound Badges to be from the mid period forward. I wonder if S&L produced both style of backs at the same time and if so, why?

Any comments from the group?

Best,

Jeff

[Steve 5]

Hi Steve, Do you think this is from the same early period as the GWB shown by Mathijs? I had thought the S&L produced hollow back (dished) Wound Badges to be from the mid period forward. I wonder if S&L produced both style of backs at the same time and if so, why? Any comments from the group ? Best, Jeff

Jeff, this "4" marked Gold wound badge is a mid produced award with having the large hinge pin head, probably 1966-68 period, so not like the solid backed early piece shown by Mathijs.....the wartime marked pin was probably found knocking about the factory by an assembler and put to good use, wether a batch were made or just an individual piece remains to be seen, as I have not seen another to date ! a rare variant if none surface.
Prost ! Steve.

[Nigel N]

Indeed a rare variant Steve!!
As we have seen many times before S&L often used up older parts on later pieces, but what is unusual about this style of "4" marked pin, is that they can also be found on very early pieces too, so some must have been available at the start of 57 production, while at least one further batch must have been found some years later!!!
-Nigel

[Brig]

Indeed a rare variant Steve!!
As we have seen many times before S&L often used up older parts on later pieces, but what is unusual about this style of "4" marked pin, is that they can also be found on very early pieces too, so some must have been available at the start of 57 production, while at least one further batch must have been found some years later!!!
-Nigel

Sounds reasonable they found a box of old parts somewhere. I know the Marine Corps was periodically finding stocks of WWII Purple Hearts off and on for at least 60 years. I have two different buddies on two different deployments who were awarded slot broach Purple Hearts for wounds sustained in Iraq

[Maciej G]

Hi Guys.
Jeff ... very interesting comparison!
Stave traditionally showed a "white crow"!
Best regards.

Maciej G.