Pab 100

[Wolgadeutscher]

Gentlemen, what do you think about this numbered PAB ?

is it one of 57's ?

thank you

[Wolgadeutscher]

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[Matthieu]

Although a much later version ( tank is glued onto wreath - earlier pieces use rivets ), its IMO a good 1957 issue piece.
If such late piece is collectable, that is a whole other issue and up to you .... however, I would not value it that high.

[Thomas Durante]

Hi Wolgadeutscher,

I can only agree with Mattijius, a nice example but of a later 57er period based on the gluded tank as well as the pin setup.

Based on the catch, I would assume this is an Assmann made example, would that be correct? Although I am not sure Assmann was active making 57ers in the later 60s and 70s....

Tom

[Mike Yokum]

Hi Wolgadeutscher,

Nice looking numbered PAB!

As the gents have stated, it's likely a 70's piece, maybe even a bit later, made by S&L IMO.

Tom, we're not 100% certain on the timeframe that Assman produced badges. Based on oeverall quality, there are some that appear to be very early examples and then some that appear to possibly be 70's pieces. George L shows a great Assman Observer in this THREAD. You see the wide, flat wire catch? I'm sure that's where you got the Assman connection on Wolgadeutscher's PAB. S&L also used this style catch on the later made pieces, hence a bit of confusion. Assman also used open hingeblocks at times, also causing some confusion as to manufacturing time frame.

Perhaps some of the other chaps will join in with examples of various Assman badges and we can gain some clarity as to Assman's contribution to 57er awards. In fact, I'll start an Assman awards thread strictly for Assman made badges and EK's.

Another terrific example is Nigel's EKI by Assman seen HERE.

So much of the finishing on these two pieces shouts early and then we see hardware that we TYPICALLY attribute to later made pieces. IMO, both Assman pieces shown in these links are early.

Again Wolgadeutscher, thanks for sharing your PAB and starting an interesting discussion. I hope to see you back here again soon!

[jonathancol]

I thought this to be S&L. The pin at the top looks like it has a rounded cap that is S&L style and not Assman. Any opinions?

This one I would guess to be mid 1970s to 80s due to the glued tank.

[Mike Yokum]

Hi Jonathan,

Great to "see" you here!

Agreed this is an S&L piece. They were glueing or beginning to glue badges in the late 60's early 70's IMO. Souval was doing it the 50's! The combination of finish, hardware, glue, etc. makes me think 70's or maybe even into the 80's as you state.

I'm impressed by your knowledge.

Join in any time you're able!

[George L]

See my badge here on page #2 for a very early version by S&L of this badge -

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...t=582137page=2