Early catalog of WWII awards of 1957 design

[naxos]

I think I posted some of the pages before.

From a 1958 Friedrich Sedlatzek catalog

[Matthieu]

Very nice . I believe a similar catalog was sold on eBay a few days back ?

[Mike Yokum]

A very interesting catalog Naxos! I'd like to have some printed reference material. Like Luud, I currently have no books on awards, only a few on FJ actions and history.

Is it me or is the Schachtflieger clasp shown upside down?

Also, I've seen nadel fu zivilanzug before with only RK/EK combo's or just EK combos and wondered if they were put togethers since they had no qualification or campaign awards. This catalog clearly shows just RK/EK and EK only examples confirming they did exist in original form. Pretty cool.

Also interesting to see Cholm and Lappland shields.

[naxos]

Good eye , it is upside down.

[George L]

That's not the only one! The two night clasps are also upside down looking at the bands at the 12:00 position should be at the 6:00 position!

Good eye , it is upside down.

[Seewolf]

Also interesting to see Cholm and Lappland shields.

Now you know why i´m looking for a cholm shield. Comparing to the TR shield only the swastika is missing - i love the design of the cholm shield

The lappland shield is NO official 57er award - so it´s sadly a copy

[naxos]

The lappland shield is NO official 57er award - so it´s sadly a copy

A copy of what, if there was no original in the first place?

There were no official 1957 awards

This catalog is from 1958 - no market for fakes

The government of the Federal Republic of Germany decided that certain German awards of WWII could be worn again in public without the swastika.

The wearing of any WWII awards, with or without the swastika, was outlawed before the 1957

Most veterans, if not already done so, removed the swastikas from their awards and never bought a replacement of the 1957 design.

Manufacturers like S&L started to reproduce WWII awards in similar design as the originals but without the swastika.

S&L, Assmann and the others did this because they had the tools and the parts and since there was a small market (veterans and veterans serving in the Bundeswehr) it made business sense.

It was an entirely private enterprise. The German Government's involvement in all this was only to grand the permission to wear certain re-designed i.e. modified WWII awards in public.

The German Government did not commission the production of any re-designed WWII awards.



WWII vets serving in the Bundeswehr, now allowed to wear their awards, purchased the newly manufactured awards to replace the originals.

[Seewolf]

Hello naxos,

the "original" wartime lappland shield has had no swastika, so there was no need to produce a 57er version. It was allowed to wear the original wartime shield.That´s all.
And the Lappland shield is not listed as a 57er in the archive of the Bundesrepublik.

[Seewolf]

naxos,

please have a look here http://www.ordensmuseum.de/Ordensjou...6Jan0857er.pdf
At this pdf all official 57er awards are listed.

[naxos]

Hello naxos,

the "original" wartime lappland shield has had no swastika, so there was no need to produce a 57er version. It was allowed to wear the original wartime shield.That´s all.
And the Lappland shield is not listed as a 57er in the archive of the Bundesrepublik.

Yes of course Rüdiger, there was no need to list an award-design-change when there was no design-change needed.

But it does not make a post war manufactured Lappland shield intended for veterans more or less of a copy then a post war (57) Iron Cross.

[Seewolf]

Hello naxos,

aah, now i know what you mean
Ok, for the veterans who bought them, these pieces were not copies.

But for me as a collector, these pieces are copies.

[Matthieu]

But it does not make a post war manufactured Lappland shield intended for veterans more or less of a copy then a post war (57) Iron Cross.

Aaah, the eternal discussion point . But I can only agree with Rüdiger on this point .

[streptile]

Aaah, the eternal discussion point

Here we go again...

[speedytop]

Hi,

Seewolf:
"The lappland shield is NO official 57er award - so it´s sadly a copy"

That is correct. It is a copy (it is not an original), if made post 1945.

It was not allowed, to wear the Lappland shield.

Please see for example Geeb/Kirchner 1958, page 53:
"Nicht wieder getragen werden dürfen (it is not allowed to wear):
a) der Lorient-Schild, ...
b) der Lappland-Schild, ..."

Uwe

[Seewolf]

It was not allowed, to wear the Lappland shield.

Please see for example Geeb/Kirchner 1958, page 53:
"Nicht wieder getragen werden dürfen (it is not allowed to wear):
a) der Lorient-Schild, ...
b) der Lappland-Schild, ..."

Hello Uwe,

thanks a lot, that´s new for me I didn´t knew that.

Just learned something more